equality only goes one way?

233 · 26 Sep 2018 at 08:18

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45642054

interesting story on the BBC this morning about the girl guides opening their ranks to people who identify as female. as a middle aged dad with teenagers it doesnt bother me one jot, my kids are of a time where this is seen as the norm and they openly accept and embrace this sort of thing. Their old enough to know what is and isnt correct behaviour from an individual and how to deal with it. Personally i think my own outlok would be a bit different a few years ago when my daughter was younger if her girl guide leader had been a bloke in a skirt so i am slightly torn on this one. one of the quotes i found intriguing

girls had a right to "female-only spaces".

could you imagine a scout master or boys brigade(are they still even around) leader coming out and saying something like that in regard to their organisations and not being villified for it. it seems that equality is coming full circle and not just in this instance we are seeing a bit of fightback and complaint if we aim for true equality. This is just the tip of the iceberg, could you imagine if a council announced a male only hiring policy for nursery teachers as men are underrepresented as an example or a health trust publicly declaring they would offer male nurses priority when hiring?

i really do think it does only go one way in a lot of respects and god help us with the backlash if men push for true equality where they need it

explicit4u · 26 Sep 2018 at 08:25

Why would you need a male only space?

I doubt any sane person would have a problem with a male only whatever as long as it’s needed and not just because women have one too.

233 · 26 Sep 2018 at 08:28

explicit4u said:
Why would you need a male only space?

I doubt any sane person would have a problem with a male only whatever as long as it’s needed and not just because women have one too.

the current climate would deem a male only space as discriminatory and exclusive wheras a female only space would be classed as empowering.

dowie · 26 Sep 2018 at 08:30

Well she was cited as being "one of the expelled volunteers" and she probably is being shamed/vilified by some SJWs as being transphobic.

Are all Scout troops mixed these days? I remember when I was a kid we had a mixed troops and two boys only troops (all the Scout troops were basically linked, run from the same Scout hut and went on the same camps etc.. together but just met on different nights in order to deal with the numbers).

explicit4u said:
Why would you need a male only space?

Back when I was in scouts it was a well known fact that the boys in the mixed troop were a "bunch of gays" - therefore the prevailing schoolboy wisdom at the time was that if you weren't "a gay" you'd join one of the troops that only let in boys!

Kiyoshi · 26 Sep 2018 at 08:36

This isn't new though, it's been like this for years and only looks to increase. I wonder what state society and the human race will be like in 100 years.

In many ways I wish I'd been born ~50 years earlier, so I wouldn't have to listen or read or see the PC nonsense I do these days because I'd be dead :cool:

Nasher · 26 Sep 2018 at 08:49

What about people who identify as an attack helicopter?

Roar87 · 26 Sep 2018 at 08:51

I agree with her, girls and boys should be allowed their own spaces, there's nothing wrong with that.

Eurofighter · 26 Sep 2018 at 08:55

We don't have white and black only spaces, people shouldn't be separated.

Nasher · 26 Sep 2018 at 08:56

Eurofighter said:
We don't have white and black only spaces, people shouldn't be separated.

Boys and girls behave very differently though. They don't always want to mix.

glenimp617 · 26 Sep 2018 at 08:57

explicit4u said:
Why would you need a male only space?

I doubt any sane person would have a problem with a male only whatever as long as it’s needed and not just because women have one too.

That's not how it works. Remember, we're in 2018 now. We should have male only spaces for those people not comfortable with females, trans, fluids and binaries. Apologies in advanced if i've missed anyone.

Eurofighter · 26 Sep 2018 at 08:57

Nasher said:
Boys and girls behave very differently though. They don't always want to mix.

It's not about what they want, it's about what is best for them.

glenimp617 · 26 Sep 2018 at 08:59

Eurofighter said:
We don't have white and black only spaces, people shouldn't be separated.

and therein lies the argument for this whole sorry mess. We are being completely equal in wanting male only spaces due to the fact that females have them. Ergo, the same should apply to race.......but that in itself is divisory.

Ouroboros

Nasher · 26 Sep 2018 at 09:00

Eurofighter said:
It's not about what they want, it's about what is best for them.

So we have certain people dictating what's best for everyone else?

glenimp617 · 26 Sep 2018 at 09:00

Eurofighter said:
It's not about what they want, it's about what is best for them.

I agree, but isn't that the whole issue with this stuff?

glenimp617 · 26 Sep 2018 at 09:03

I've got it...

Male only space for those who want it
Female only space for those who want it
Mixed space for those who want it
Males who have an issue with a male only space
Females who have an issue with a female only space
Males who have an issue with a female only space
Females who have an issue with a male only space
Males who have an issue with a mixed space
Females who have an issue with a mixed space
Males who have an issue with a males who have an issue with male only space
Females who have an issue with a females who have an issue with a female only space

I'm tired now

Housey · 26 Sep 2018 at 09:10

This is what happens when you pander to the smallest sub section of society and tell everyone else you are wrong and they are right. I find this whole identify as thing preposterous not least as many will not identify as that in 10 years. In my day we called them New Romantics

chroniclard · 26 Sep 2018 at 09:15

dowie said:
Well she was cited as being "one of the expelled volunteers" and she probably is being shamed/vilified by some SJWs as being transphobic.

Are all Scout troops mixed these days? I remember when I was a kid we had a mixed troops and two boys only troops (all the Scout troops were basically linked, run from the same Scout hut and went on the same camps etc.. together but just met on different nights in order to deal with the numbers).

Back when I was in scouts it was a well known fact that the boys in the mixed troop were a "bunch of gays" - therefore the prevailing schoolboy wisdom at the time was that if you weren't "a gay" you'd join one of the troops that only let in boys!

All the scouting stuff is mixed now, son and daughter do Beavers and Scouts. Not sure there are specifically boy only groups other than thats just how it turns out. Girl guiding however is girls only still.......

If I recall correctly when I was a kid it was segregated into Cubs/Scouts and Guides, not sure if that was just how it turned out or policy. (30 odd years ago!)

Housey · 26 Sep 2018 at 09:17

Cubs, Scouts boys and Guides were girls in the 70’s.

Chris Wilson · 26 Sep 2018 at 09:18

Guiding is about moral and physical enrichment, not having some deviant geezer in a pair of knickers thrust amongst young girls to the pander to the mischievous, noisy and intolerant liberals.

dowie · 26 Sep 2018 at 09:21

chroniclard said:
If I recall correctly when I was a kid it was segregated into Cubs/Scouts and Guides, not sure if that was just how it turned out or policy. (30 odd years ago!)

I think it changed some time in the 90s, I don't think it forced all troops to accept girls though - as per my local scouts having two boys and one mixed troop. I guess perhaps either there was a further change to force all troops to be mixed or perhaps most troops would have changed these days anyway due to declining numbers - you probably don't want to be too picky about recruitment if most kids aren't interested anymore.