Yeah, definitely not a lack of effort on his part. But sometimes effort isn’t enough and clearly wasn’t in this case.
Poll: Erik ten Hag Sack Watch & Next Manchester United Manager? Sacked. Ruben Amorim appointed.
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Turned the corner!
I watched this also and I'm not sure if it's new manager euphoria but it makes far more sense than what EtH seemed to be trying. I've not seen any tactical analysis that could make head nor tail of what United have been trying to do in the last 2 years. The biggest problem I can see is that some of the players just seem incapable of following any sort of instruction so hopefully Amorim has a better communication style than his predecessor. It's nice, at least to have hope again.
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If we line up anything like that with the tactics that Statman has mentioned., well, I am excited to see that. Academy players in that starting line up. Yes please. Can you imagine if Amiroms first game unlocked Man Utd and we bang in 4-6 goals.
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At least his last game for Sporting ended on a high, 3-1 winners. Hope he brings that over here.
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Can you at least let us clutch on to straws for 5 minutes please?
As someone who is convinced that the players are poo, it will be interesting to see what happens. I'd be very happy to be wrong.
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Last game? He literally said after the game he doesn't know yet whether it's his last game or not. And he hasn't decided yet whether to join Man Utd or not?
Really hope he does NOT join us tbh. We don't need another 3rd tier league manager who has proven nothing in any of the big leagues. We tried that already with ETH. Also it's pretty obvious that his heart is not with Utd, from what he's said.
We need someone with a track record in a proper league who commands respect from day 1. I would probably even take Marco Silva over him. The dream is Poch, can't think of anyone better suited, hopefully one day.
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Honestly it's pretty well known that players and managers always say "I'm happy here", "I'm just focusing on our next game and trying to achieve our objectives". To them only sign for a different club not long after.
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"We back out manager 100% and believe in their long term vision"
20 minutes later
"We would like to thank our manager for all his hard work over the past 3 days since he took over and we wish him all the best in the future"
Never believe public statements
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Oh come on. The grin on his face after the match after being asked the questions, the fans standing ovation as he came out onto the pitch. He knows he will be at OT come Sunday.
3rd tier league? portugal are 6th. Netherlands are 12th. Can't really compare and say another 3rd tier manager.
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If I were a mod (GS4mod!) I would thread ban everyone who mentions Sir Southgate
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A fairly good summary of Uniteds issues under EtH and the madness of some of his choices.
I'd have to permaban you then. Sounds like a plan.
As others have said, I wouldn't read much into what he said in a press conference immediately after a game.
I don't really see how you can dismiss him and then want Poch. I really like Poch but he's had some good jobs and hasn't set the world on fire.
To be quite honest, who are the 'elite' managers? In my view there are two - Pep and Klopp. I think they're as close as you can get to a guarantee of success.
Simeone's work over the past decade or so has been impressive, but there are caveats to that. Ancelotti is a great manager but I think he's good at managing specific squads.
Xabi Alonso is still very new to it all, Emery is obviously very good. Pretty much all of them would be considered a gamble...
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Honestly I'm not sure if any manager could fix the problems at Man Utd in the short term. No manager is going to be given the medium term, never mind the long term.
Man Utd have a squad of players assembled at huge expense to fix multiple short term issues. The current squad is not a good squad but it is also going to be expensive to offload the bad buys.
In order to fix the structural issues at the club it will require Man Utd to probably spend 3-4 seasons out of contention for the top 4 and probably closer to the middle of the table. Are supporters willing to accept that? Are the club owners willing to accept that?
What Arsenal have done with Arteta is similar to what Man Utd need to do.
Man Utd have a squad of players assembled at huge expense to fix multiple short term issues. The current squad is not a good squad but it is also going to be expensive to offload the bad buys.
In order to fix the structural issues at the club it will require Man Utd to probably spend 3-4 seasons out of contention for the top 4 and probably closer to the middle of the table. Are supporters willing to accept that? Are the club owners willing to accept that?
What Arsenal have done with Arteta is similar to what Man Utd need to do.
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Exactly. I have said this before but name me a top manager who hasn't failed, often multiple times. Pep and Klopp are two that come to mind and Pep is somewhat caveated. Pep has never managed anything but the strongest team in the league and his Barca had generational/all time talented players and his City are basically a blank cheque whenever he wants it.
Emery failed at Arsenal. Ancellotti has failed at a number of clubs. Mourinho has failed at multiple clubs. Poch has failed at multiple clubs. Tuchel, Nagelsmann etc etc etc etc
A good managerial appointment matches the right manager to the right players to the right structure at the right time. Thats a very hard thing to do and to keep doing. There is a reason why most top clubs go through managers regularly and its not because a manager who was brilliant 2 years earlier has suddenly lost their talent. Its the reason top clubs are more and more looking at the manager as a replaceable piece of the puzzle rather than the man who controls it all. In the same way players should fit the way a club wants to play, so should the manager. If the manager cannot perform any longer for whatever reason, they should be moved on in the same way a player would.
They are both vital to a team and also the cheapest piece to replace. Its funny that people quibble over spending £10m, £20m on a manager when an average squad player in the PL for any of the big teams is £40m+ most of the time and they have a tiny impact on the team vs the manager.
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Why would it take that long? We don't have a bad squad at all. Casemiro will likely be gone at the end of the year. Eriksen too. Maguire, Evans and Lindelof will be gone at the end of the season I imagine. Rashford will either sort himself out or be sold soon. Antony will either be repurposed or sold at a massive loss but I don't think his wages are insane.
I agree that it will take a few years of progress to be regularly top 4 again barring a miracle but mid-table? Come on. We are mid table now and we have had a shocking run this season so far.
I think that United are actually in an OK position for the time being. I think that with the right manager and the players working for him we are top 4 candidates with this squad. I think that top 3 is pretty nailed on but that 4th spot is all up for grabs. We're a way off those top 3 but I don't think we are off the rest of the pack if we actually perform to our players abilities.