Euro talks, what are the implications?

They're not being regulated because all the Conservatives are in they're pockets. Basically, this country isn't run by me or you, it's run by the banks.

It's always been run by the people with the money, that will never change.

I think unless we're given the majority of power over regulation of all the european banks, like Germany appear to want/have the Mr Cameron made a pretty savvy move today.
 
All Governments do it one way or another. Positive or negative incentives depending on your PoV, they all "buy" votes fiscally or ideologically. They do not abondon all concepts of responsibility however or they would generally become unelectable and their governments would be susceptible to destabilization.

Accountability is another matter beyond the franchise, but then again it isn't exactly singularly unique either.

The actions of some Governments borrowing beyond their means is one component of the problem, the other is the actions of the financial sector.

You cannot reform one without the other, because this didn't originate as a sovereign debt crisis but that of a subprime mortgage fraud.

Or more precisely the sub prime morgage "fraud" was the straw that broke the camels back...

i don't think a trade war is looming, also i don't think "they" blame Britain, "they" think banks need to be regulated so we don't go through endless cycles of instability due to financial cowboys.

Yeah... Something like that... Boom and bust was around long before we became a financial capital...

Does this mean our banks are still de-regulated or did we at some point start regulating our own banks again?

Was it not in fact in part to much (inefficient) regulation that was one of the causes of this problem in the first place...?
 
Yeah because those people are really evil and don't have the Continents interest in mind as opposed to a bunch of shareholders who could probably afford to buy me and you as slaves and make us dance like puppets all day.

Yet shareholders are generally you and me/pension funds and several prominent positions within public company hierarchies are voted on... When did we last vote for those withing the European Commission?

I think a lot of people seem to be forgetting what a public company actually is (and how it is actually funded)...
 
When the heck are people going to get through they're thick heads that to stand off against growing economies like China, India, Brazil, USA, etc. We NEED to be united.

Or have good trade agreements with them, which can be achieved without unification surely.
 
Seems like the Veto has basically sunk the concept anyway. Because the other countries have to use an unofficial arrangement instead of EU treaties they are barred from using European Union venues to discuss their plans.

David Cameron warned countries planning to join France and Germany that they would not be allowed to use the EU’s summit venues and offices when holding meetings.
 
When the heck are people going to get through they're thick heads that to stand off against growing economies like China, India, Brazil, USA, etc. We NEED to be united.

We are already united, its called the EU. we haven't left the EU. we just said no to a treaty within a treaty. We still have the original treaty which unites us.
 
When the heck are people going to get through they're thick heads that to stand off against growing economies like China, India, Brazil, USA, etc. We NEED to be united.

Yep so united that France and Germany run the show, ask how united the Greeks feel
 
Or have good trade agreements with them, which can be achieved without unification surely.

In many respects we already do, the UK trades with most countries on a good basis.

It doesnt matter how many times the papers say 'isolated' we are still a major trade hub not just for europe but also the world.
 
Seems like the Veto has basically sunk the concept anyway. Because the other countries have to use an unofficial arrangement instead of EU treaties they are barred from using European Union venues to discuss their plans.

Will they kick us out?

That way Cameron avoids the referendum problem.
 
In many respects we already do, the UK trades with most countries on a good basis.

It doesnt matter how many times the papers say 'isolated' we are still a major trade hub not just for europe but also the world.

“The UK is as isolated as somebody who refused to join the Titanic just before it sailed” – City Broker Terry Smith.
 
Will they kick us out?

That way Cameron avoids the referendum problem.

As far as my admittedly limited knowledge on the EU laws go they cant kick us out for simply not agreeing it would require action akin to declaring war, and as we have vetoed this new agreement it cannot be considered a binding treaty even though 26 out of 27 signed up. As much as it may annoy sarkozy Britain hasnt done anything wrong and if they try to push the regs onto the Britain that in itself may be considered against EU law.
 
As far as my admittedly limited knowledge on the EU laws go they cant kick us out for simply not agreeing it would require action akin to declaring war, and as we have vetoed this new agreement it cannot be considered a binding treaty even though 26 out of 27 signed up. As much as it may annoy sarkozy Britain hasnt done anything wrong and if they try to push the regs onto the Britain that in itself may be considered against EU law.

Pity I hoped it may of hastened our departure.
 
Dave looks like a hero in Britain, but this whole thing must look very odd from the outside.

Unregulated finance and banking throws Europe into crisis, throws one of the most important currencies in history of the planet off balance and half of Europe is near financial collapse. The nations gather in one place to establish ways of regulating this whole finance malarky. If we stand together, they argue, no one can lose. Don't worry, financiers will not move anywhere and the capital will not flee, as we will all have the same regulations.
And then Dave stands up as says "foxtrot you all, all 23 of you are wrong, I know better. We love our crooks, so unless you can guarantee me that UK will remain unregulated safe haven for the a-holes that brought most of you to your knees, you can kiss the back of bottom half of my armani suit." He then jumps on the plane and leaves them all with jaws to the floor and mouths open.

The whole cheerful and mostly fictional anecdote above aside, the whole thing must look like one crazy monopoly game to those countries that face being Albania over night if things go wrong?
 
I would suggest other countries will change their minds when the nitty gritty is thrashed out and they see what they are having to give up in the name of german fiscal policy.
 
I would suggest other countries will change their minds when the nitty gritty is thrashed out and they see what they are having to give up in the name of german fiscal policy.

can we stop the nationalist malarky for once?

what is wrong with the idea of having rules not allowing politicians to go on spending sprees and have balanced budgets and regulating financial institutions so they don't take reckless risks, which in the end are paid for by taxpayers?
 
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