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its undermocratic for starter. EU was meant to be a trading partnership.
Anyone born after 1957 has never been asked for their views, most who were consulted are now dead.
Euro talks, what are the implications?
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its undermocratic for starter. EU was meant to be a trading partnership.
Anyone born after 1957 has never been asked for their views, most who were consulted are now dead.
Nice find, the same stories about "growing mood in the party in favour of pulling out of the EU" 12-13 years ago
same as any law that was passed before anyone's birthdate. pointless argument
how were the bank bailout or the oil war in Iraq democratic? a government pandering to a minority business interest is hardly democratic as well. Financial services only account for 10% of tax revenue, whereas there are many other businesses that trade with Europe, and having poor relations with our main trading partners is hardly good business.
we will still trade with them.
Something as key as EU membership should be put to a vote on a regular interval or 30/40/50 years.
and i put it to you we would still have financial institutions. but you didn't answer original question from my post to which you replied
"what is wrong with the idea of having rules not allowing politicians to go on spending sprees and have balanced budgets and regulating financial institutions so they don't take reckless risks, which in the end are paid for by taxpayers?"
Like all empires the EU wants to expand ......this is and has always been an at the behest of a small cabal of political elites who wish to rule without the pesky people being able to throw them out at voting time. Yes the national govts may change but the supranational elite in Brussels answer to nobody. First it was sold as a common market and slowly they garnered power to the centre. Then the Euro came along and a lot of weaker economic countries were sold on cheap money and borrowed to the hilt to finance infrastructure and buy into power with promises of eden to come.
Then the Lisbon treaty which all but cemented the power , a few countries kicked up and were told to keep holding referendums until the correct answer was won. ie Ireland
A few threats were issued and those that could be bullied were. Meanwhile France were it all originated muted the idea of extending to include nations on the other side of the med etc Eurabia is becoming a reality. Mass immigration was encouraged and they flocked to our paved with benefits countries....multiculturalism was the new religion and the answer to all this oh so old fashioned nationalism, We are in the final phase of a long drawn out plan to remove all democratic power from the masses and center it in the hands of a few at Brussels. A new euro paramilitary force is being built up , warrants can send problematic people to any eu country with no habeus corpus and no proof other than a judges signature. Now the world financial crisis have given them the impetus under the guise of saving the euro to implement the final step Fiscal Integration.
Now they have all that was envisaged within their grubby little paws. How long do you think Democracy will survive when they complete it. All will beholden to some little autocrat whos sole aim in life is to do what his masters in Brussles wants. You dont behave and we keep your pocket money back !! Thats why they want control of the UK financial markets....... The Franco/German dream of a united empire in Europe with them as power brokers. What Napoleon and two world wars could not do thay have achieved by stealth and secrecy. But yet again it was that Little Island that spoiled the Party.
Long may we have the Balls and foresight to not roll over and beg at their feet.
Call me Paranoid ......time will tell. Just because we are paranoid does'nt mean they are not out to get us. Eurabia / EUssr here we come
Then the Lisbon treaty which all but cemented the power , a few countries kicked up and were told to keep holding referendums until the correct answer was won. ie Ireland
A few threats were issued and those that could be bullied were. Meanwhile France were it all originated muted the idea of extending to include nations on the other side of the med etc Eurabia is becoming a reality. Mass immigration was encouraged and they flocked to our paved with benefits countries....multiculturalism was the new religion and the answer to all this oh so old fashioned nationalism, We are in the final phase of a long drawn out plan to remove all democratic power from the masses and center it in the hands of a few at Brussels. A new euro paramilitary force is being built up , warrants can send problematic people to any eu country with no habeus corpus and no proof other than a judges signature. Now the world financial crisis have given them the impetus under the guise of saving the euro to implement the final step Fiscal Integration.
Now they have all that was envisaged within their grubby little paws. How long do you think Democracy will survive when they complete it. All will beholden to some little autocrat whos sole aim in life is to do what his masters in Brussles wants. You dont behave and we keep your pocket money back !! Thats why they want control of the UK financial markets....... The Franco/German dream of a united empire in Europe with them as power brokers. What Napoleon and two world wars could not do thay have achieved by stealth and secrecy. But yet again it was that Little Island that spoiled the Party.
Long may we have the Balls and foresight to not roll over and beg at their feet.
Call me Paranoid ......time will tell. Just because we are paranoid does'nt mean they are not out to get us. Eurabia / EUssr here we come
We are the second largest contributor to the EU They will need us to fund any grande plan.
I say leave and let Germany and France be tied to the sick and weak countries of Europe, Croatia is set to join and we all know what a powerhouse that country is. They will stagnate and have their growth slowed by the weaker nations.
I say leave and let Germany and France be tied to the sick and weak countries of Europe, Croatia is set to join and we all know what a powerhouse that country is. They will stagnate and have their growth slowed by the weaker nations.
She has never liked it though. The real irony is that her party kicked her out and put John Major in power because she was the only one in the end that despised the EU.
How times change
Loving how the Coalition has literally morphed itself into UKIP in the space of 6 months.
I feel this is far from over I expect camerons phone hasn't stopped and there will be discussions and negotiations for quite a while yet. The UK and the EU are too important to each other to split under those circumstance regardless of how much grand standing sarkozy does to try to avoid being humiliated in his up coming elections.
are you serious? is this straight from a BNP pamphlet?
Since 1999 voters in Britain have elected MEPs under a proportional representation system. hardly self appointed people running EU. in other countries MEP are elected directly by the public. unfortunately British parties decided to have it differently.
How is it France's plan to have Eurabia? France was opposed to include Turkey that Britain wanted to join the EU.
and where do you get any notion of EUssr?
you are not paranoid, just a fear monger
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I thought it was the exact opposite, a lack of regulation that caused the problem in the first place \o/
I'm sure someone can explain it a bit better than me but there is one school of thought that suggested the addition of regulation in buying/selling debt moved the burden of checking whether the debt was viable from the buying bank to the seller. Vis a Vis, toxic debt companies wouldn't have bought before were sold off as nice profit making potential, except it wasn't...
So yes, deregulation was the cause of all this evil!!!
And by outside you mean someone from the UK with a hatred of the banking system? Yes I can see the problem!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement
Perhaps they should change that to
North Atalantic Free Trade Agreement ?
Perhaps they should change that to
North Atalantic Free Trade Agreement ?
I resent you implicating that I would quote from a facist party ......where is your proof . Its my opinion and you dont have to agree.
But keep your aggressive tone to youself.
Do a little research and you will find a 1975 agreement where the EU guaranteed to allow mass immigration in return for long term oil contracts.
I could go on and back it all up ......time will tell just how anti demos the EU is and soon.
lol you actually think the UK would have any influence over the US?
a real question is what is going to happen with the coalition, as liberal democrats may not bite this bullet too easily
more to come after the weekend I am sure
Its not influence, its about free trade.
Cleggers and Cable seem to back it. To be honest they wont rock the boat they like the taste of being in power and they know once this term is over they will be history.
it's wasnt a statement, it was a question. and from your very nationalistic drivel i thought the question was pertinent
btw the EU was formed in 1993 with the Mastricht treaty, so not sure which 1975 EU accord you are referring to?
can you can also back up your claims of the formation of Eurabia and EUssr?
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LOL
Call it want you want but Britain joined the European Community in 1973. Tory Prime Minister Edward Heath took Britain in.
EU / EC same thing really isn't it. Or no its not as it was meant to be a Trading partnership not a super state, well super is not a phrase I would use now days.
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Is this really the 'done deal' they are portraying on the news? I do remember that we were promised a referendum if the treaty changed. Surely even if David Cameron had signed up it could have gone wrong when it is referred to parliament and then the public by vote.
Wont other leaders have to return to their countries and present the treaty to their Governments and maybe citizens?
I admit I don't know hardly anything about the EU. But Norway and Switzerland seem to do fine without being members.
Wont other leaders have to return to their countries and present the treaty to their Governments and maybe citizens?
I admit I don't know hardly anything about the EU. But Norway and Switzerland seem to do fine without being members.
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If the lib dems pull out of the coalition, which sparks a general election i have a strong feeling the conservative party would get a majority vote this time around.
Lib dems got the student votes/parents vote, and most students/parents now hate the lib dems.