European Grand Prix 2012, Valencia - Race 8/20

The cars width rule applied to braking zones.

It was Hamiltons corner and Maldonados job to get passed. Hamilton took his line through the corner and Maldonado ran out of road. Everything up to that point was just 'racing'. We saw Massa on that kerb a couple of times trying to pass people, and a number of others through the race too.

The incident is Maldonado's choice to try to take the second part of the corner by rejoining the track into the side of Hamiltons car.

Everything up to the point Maldonado turned right was racing, everything after it was an avoidable incident caused by Maldonado.

Generally agree with this.

We did see plenty of other overtakes on that corner that were clean, but also quite a few failed overtakes that people still managed to avoid hitting people on...

kd
 
I think Hamilton after Canada would respectfully disagree.
Perhaps, but then if everyone also swtiched tyres when Hamilton did then the status quo would have been maintained.

We did see plenty of other overtakes on that corner that were clean, but also quite a few failed overtakes that people still managed to avoid hitting people on...

kd

Yep thats what I said just earlier on :)
 
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100682

"He tried to put me off the track," said Maldonado. "He didn't leave any room for me to stay on and do the corner side by side. I jumped over the kerb and I couldn't avoid the accident."

The Venezuelan felt Hamilton should have accepted that he was going to get overtaken as his McLaren's pace faded.

"I don't know why he drove like that," Maldonado said. "He was struggling too much with the tyres. He was completely lost and at that moment I was getting very good pace. He tried a very aggressive move on me."

Cant wait for the verdict, gonna be really interesting to hear the stewards thoughts on this :)
 
Anyone who thinks Hamilton should have just let him by needs to go watch the last 5 laps of the GP2 Sprint Race.

Oh my god it was epic!
 
He tried an aggressive move, lol, you can see in the replay the only point he is alongside Hamilton properly is because he broke later than Hamilton into the corner, at that point Hamilton was braking and turning as tight as he could, he can't magically turn tighter than physics allows because Maldonado wants him to. He seems to forget he was taking the normal racing line which allows a tighter turn and Hamilton was on the inside, he could avoid that, Hamilton couldn't.

As for if Hamilton should have given it up, its as I said earlier, IF Maldonado had the move he'd have conceded, you don't EVER give up till he has the move, and he didn't.

Again I'll point out Monaco last year, Schumi, Hamilton had him had the inside line was just ahead and Schumi could have turned in and hit Hamilton but sensibly conceded the place. Hamilton had the stronger position before the turn, it was game over. He did the same thing to Maldonado at that race, Maldoanado decided he didn't like it and turned into Hamilton causing a crash on purpose. There are drivers who know when the move is done and concede it safely only contesting it to the safe point, and there are drivers that just say "its mine I want it I'm not pulling out I'll make contact, who cares". Maldonado has shown he is one of those unsafe drivers and frankly should be forced to miss a race or two as he's done stuff repeatedly. Also factor in where it is in the race, this wasn't 10 laps from the end, Hamilton only had to make it slightly harder for a lap and he gets second, that isn't something you give up easily, if/when he's ahead and has the lead into a corner I have literally no doubt Hamilton would give it up, he did it twice already in this very race and in many others. Make it hard to pass till the other guy has the advantage into the next corner, then you concede, at no time did Maldanado have the advantage. He went in late and fast into that corner and was frankly always going off.

As for being on pace, you can't really tell. He won a race, one race, and that is almost all of his points in one race, is this his third points finish and that was only because of basically multiple people going out. He isn't competitive in this title, give Kobe a win out of no where on a freak track when everyone else has problems and boom, he'd be right with Maldanado. The odd freak result will put people around the 20-30 point mark, doesn't mean anything(yet).
 
Hamilton blaming everyone else for his short comings yet again.

got to love his rage lobbing the steering wheel :p

In fairness the reason he didn't win this race is down to other people.

If his team hadn't made such a mess of his pitstop he would have been ahead of Alonso and wouldn't have had to deal with Maldonado.
 
Hamilton blaming everyone else for his short comings yet again.

got to love his rage lobbing the steering wheel :p

Yeah, anyone else who had a car rejoin the track in the wrong direction through a corner who had no right to do so, that hit them and ended their race would totally not blame the guy rejoining the track dangerously :rolleyes:

EDIT:- for the record I thought Senna and Grosjean did particularly badly when they had their problems, both had the chance to pull WAY out of the way to the left and decided to take the racing line through the next corners. I haven't seen a replay of Grosjean with Hamilton coming up behind him at the corner just Hamilton seemingly narrowly missing him on the exit. Grosjean was on the left, no drive and a run off area he could stay in but instead he turned right and stayed on the racing line with no power.... utterly mental decision(though maybe didn't quite realise the car was completely gone at that point, lucky still). senna got spun, and then did much the same, with dodgy tyres and not much control he turned pretty tight into the corner when he could have stayed left easily.
 
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In fairness the reason he didn't win this race is down to other people.

If his team hadn't made such a mess of his pitstop he would have been ahead of Alonso and wouldn't have had to deal with Maldonado.

Yup, that's the frustrating part, more so that Mclaren decided to update the jack, which my god is so basic and old anyway that it was the worst thing to focus on. But they said they had trouble with it in practice...... and walked into trouble in a race with it, if it is trouble in practice, go to the old method which wouldn't fail, its really very simple. Put it into use in races once you work out all the kinks not while its still not working right.

Even more so is, had he been out front with fresh tyres he could do what Webber did at Monaco, go fast anywhere he could be overtaken and slow everywhere else, push everyone back and save his tyres. He'd likely have won if he'd been ahead of Alonso when Vettel went out.
 
hamilton knew hed lost the place , he should have given it up and just let him past.

Funny, he was 3rd, he was still third after the corner, when did he lose the place? He knew the guy behind was faster, he knew the guy behind was BEHIND him, he knew the guy behind still had to overtake him and he knew he'd failed to do that for over a lap already.

Kimi actually did take the place from Hamilton, he was ahead and had the advantage into the corner and Hamilton pulled out and let him by, completely safely with no contact. If Maldonado was that much ahead Hamilton would have let him by, Hamilton was ahead of Maldonado, simple as that, if Hamilton can concede the place when he was behind round the corner against kimi, why couldn't Maldonado concede that corner to Hamilton when Hamilton was ahead. Right because he was faster and thought he deserved it, doesn't make it his.

Hamilton drove safely through every overtaking move, both overtaking others and being overtaken, Maldonado didn't, its that simple.

The most important thing to remember is Maldanado dived in AFTER Hamilton had started braking, that means Hamilton had already commited to the corner, that line, that turning level and that speed. If Maldonado jumps in later by braking later, if Hamilton stamps on the brakes to avoid a collision at that point all that happens is all his tyres lock up and he doesn't turn at all and smashes into Maldonado. If Maldonado was ahead Hamilton could brake earlier without losing control and take the corner tighter to leave him room. The guy who brakes and commits to the corner first and from ahead, can't change his mind, the guy behind can react, the guy ahead can't.
 
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Maldanado should be punished. Lewis should have thought a bit more and given.him space, it wasn't worth it for a place he was going to lose anyway.
 
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