European Grand Prix 2012, Valencia - Race 8/20

I think people need to take a step and remove their allegances from the situation and look at what they are saying.

People on here are, with perfectly straight faces, suggesting that when a driver catches another, the driver in front should move over and let him by.

Regardless of the specifics of the situation in question, that general train of though it just stupid.
 
MofoKilla said:
hamilton knew hed lost the place , he should have given it up and just let him past.
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Hamilton never lost the place. Racers don't just let someone past because they've got a better set of tyres. It was Maldonardo's responsibly to pass cleanly. He didn't - he exceeded the track limits, cut the corner then pushed Hamilton off.
 
Everyone is forgetting the moment when Hamilton saw sense earlier on in the race and gave someone an easy pass. Now he's a reckless moron...
 
Skeeter said:
People on here are, with perfectly straight faces, suggesting that when a driver catches another, the driver in front should move over and let him by.

Regardless of the specifics of the situation in question, that general train of though it just stupid.
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Whatabout a blue flag situation :D ?
 
What Maldanado did was beyond daft but I don't understand why it's OK to run people off the road like Hamilton did. If there was a wall there then Hamilton would have facing a ban, or worse. Drivers need to give space on both the inside and outside during the braking but on exit the driver on the outside has to lift or run wide and give up the fight.
 
Skeeter said:
People on here are, with perfectly straight faces, suggesting that when a driver catches another, the driver in front should move over and let him by.

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If the two cars are right behind each other you are totally correct, no dirver should have go give the position away, however that wasnt the case today

1) At the previous corner, both cars were practically level with each other, with enough space for both cars to get around the corner without either having to go off the road, LH forced Maldonado far wider than necessary,and for me that is crucial and puts him at fault primarily (although it doesnt excuse Maldonado of the tbone

2) If this was the last lap , LH MAY have had the tyres to stay ahead, but he didnt stand a chance with even a single lap around Valencia to go imo to keep the Williams behind

MagicBoy said:
Hamilton never lost the place. Racers don't just let someone past because they've got a better set of tyres. It was Maldonardo's responsibly to pass cleanly. He didn't - he exceeded the track limits, cut the corner then pushed Hamilton off.
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Yes he had already effectively lost the place, if LH had driven fairly (as rules dictate) for the corner previous to the accident , Maldonado would have been on teh inside for the next corner and got ahead easily
 
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Owenb said:
Drivers need to give space on both the inside and outside during the braking but on exit the driver on the outside has to lift or run wide and give up the fight.
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Correct.

The drivers are not allowed to move onto the racing line again after moving off to defend, and they need to leave 1 cars width in braking zones.

Neither of those apply to this situation. It wasn't a braking zone and Hamilton was taking the racing line through the corners, which he is fully entitled to do.

No matter how a driver ends up off the track, they should never rejoin it into the side of another driver. Hamilton squeezing Maldonado wide does not make him responsible for Maldonados decision to drive into him.
 
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Verge given a 10 place grid penalty for next race plus a substantial 25,000 Euro fine for collision with Kovalainen

Nothing about Hamilton/Maldonado and Schumacher DRS yet.
 
See this is where its hazy for me... since there have been some overtakes this year where cars have been squeezed off the track (I cant recall but this isnt the first time...)

It depends on the stewards point of view really, if they feel Hamilton didnt give Maldonado enough space and they enforce that rule... then it could be Hamilton in doodoo...

Alternatively, they may feel that Hamilton was marginally ahead into the corner and ergo it was his corner...

Personally Id call it a racing incident :D
 
Seriously was some people on here even watching the race? How can you say Hamilton ran him off the track? Monkeyboy braked later and hammy even gave him room on the corner...

Your all either trolling or extremely oblivious to the sport.

Monkeyboy should have had a season ban the first time he tried to kill Lewis. We know this will not happen though.
 
Cavallino said:
See this is where its hazy for me... since there have been some overtakes this year where cars have been squeezed off the track (I cant recall but this isnt the first time...)

It depends on the stewards point of view really, if they feel Hamilton didnt give Maldonado enough space and they enforce that rule... then it could be Hamilton in doodoo...

Alternatively, they may feel that Hamilton was marginally ahead into the corner and ergo it was his corner...

Personally Id call it a racing incident :D
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Up to the point where Pasta left the track, completely agree that it's a racing incident. Once Pasta decided to drive into Lewis though, is when it stops being a racing incident, and moves to something far more malicious.
 
There were numerous overtakes at that corner all race long where the driver on the outside was squeezed.

But its 2 separate incidents.

Hamilton squeezing Maldonado wide.
Maldonado rejoining the track into the side of Hamilton.

If Hamilton is guilty of the first, that doesn't make him responsible for the second. Maldonado made that decision all on his own.

Plus, with all the talk that Hamilton should have thought about it and given the place up, the same can be said for Maldonado. He should have thought about it enough to realise he was going to have a number of other chances at Hamilton and should have slotted in behind him and tried again.

I do not see how Maldonados decision to drive into Lewis, regardless of how he got into that situation, is anything other than Maldonados responsibility?
 
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