Poll: European Grand Prix 2017, Baku - Race 8/20

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Jono8 said:
Vettel's move was clearly just hot headed retaliation - perhaps thinking he would need a new wing now anyway so why not just bash into him.
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Yea, that has crossed my mind.

It is complete fantasy to think that before that, Hamilton was intentionally trying to damage Seb's front wing by not accelerating as fast as Seb wanted to out of that corner.
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Of course, Hamilton didn't do anything wrong in this case
 
lucarocks92 said:
Definitely was being cheaky with that. It actually worked and he did catch vettel out.

My gut feeling was they were going to penalise both of them to make it even not to ruin the race or the championship.

When Hamilton was forced to pit they done the minimum to vettel
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Dear lord, lose a front wing, pit(only around the next corner as well) and get back on to it, get hit in the rear, extremely high chance of rear puncture, extremely high chance of non fixable diffuser damage... but Hamilton did it, and it 'worked'.

Hamilton went a similar speed to the last lap, he did a similar thing in the first safety car ending, and every driver does a similar thing at every other track when a safety car ends. You have to build a gap so when you floor it you won't pass the safety car before the line. Everyone knows the leader will back them up near the end of the lap, realistically it has to be before the final corner which here is much further away. Anyone not expecting Hamilton to go slow is an idiot, as Vettel was. If Hamilton was absurdly slow Perez would also have hit or at least come very close to hitting Vettel yet he didn't come anywhere near him. Only Vettel accelerated heavily out of the corner.

What he did was easily a DQ offence. Even if it was a stop go it should have been given near instantly, there is no discussion about him getting a penalty. Then as a result he'd have had to take it end of first lap after safety car after the red flag, he'd have been behind both Perez and Kimi and 10+ seconds behind them as well. Hamilton pitting multiple laps latter for safety reasons(reasons that they didn't feel Kimi had to pit for despite his parts that were hanging off being more dangerous, insanely more likely to fall off and caused a red flag later......) would have pitted but still be 4-5 places ahead of Vettel.

In every way they engineered a penalty that was both big but lenient and in the least damaging way to Vettel. Ferrar International Assistance in full effect.
 
F1 has yet again set a bad example, Hammy will win the championship easily now anyway, Vettell knows that.
 
Here's the FIA link - contains a little more information.

http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2017/eventtiming-information-30
Steward Decision Document 45

FIA said:
The Stewards, having received a report from the Race Director, examined video evidence, have considered the following matter and determine the following:

No / Driver 5 - Sebastian Vettel
Competitor Scuderia Ferrari
Time 17:44
Session Race
Fact Car 5 collided with car 44 in Turn 16.
Offence Breach of Article 27.4 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.
Decision 10 Second Stop and Go penalty. (3 penalty points awarded, 9 points total for the 12 month period)
Reason The Stewards examined video evidence which showed that car 5 drove alongside and then steered into car 44. The Stewards decide this manoeuvre was deemed potentially dangerous.
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Article 27.4 states - At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person.
 
But this isn't the first or last time this sort of collision will happen. The front car has the right to dictate the pace yes, but not erratically, as it causes accidents, because the second car might know he is going to do this, but not when.

Now Hamilton wasn't erratic in this instance but Vettel still misjudged it, because you still have to try and stay as close as you can else you get accused of being 'caught napping'.

Vettel incorrectly thought Hamilton brake checked him, which he didn't, and saw red.
 
Cavallino said:
Folks, not sure if this was answered, but from one angle, when the Vettel/Hamilton incident happened, it looked like the safety car was long gone and more than 10 car lengths away from Hamilton.

Can anyone corroborate this and is this rule still in effect in F1?
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its still in there s far as I know, but doesn't apply, this was on the restart where Hamilton was taking over and preparing for SC to pit.
 
To anyone saying that Hamilton brake tested...

Andrew Benson said:
Stewards examined Hamilton's car data in Vettel incident. Did not brake or lift off completely. Maintained more or less constant speed and behaved the same at that re-start at that point on the track as he did at the other two re-starts. Source: FIA
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So all Vettels fault then.
 
The incident is one thing, the "driving into him because he took his hands off the wheel to gesticulate" is entirely another.

Not a good reacting by Vettel and a worryingly lenient penalty.
 
Lopéz said:
The incident is one thing, the "driving into him because he took his hands off the wheel to gesticulate" is entirely another.

Not a good reacting by Vettel and a worryingly lenient penalty.
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This exactly, he loses it in the car quite a bit. think russia and mexico last year aswell. mans got temper problems.
 
Maybe I'm easily pleased but 10/10 for me. Loved the uncertainty of who would win, even Bottas clinching 2nd on the line was a surprise. And to see 3 genuinely happy drivers (and a truly emotional Stroll) on the podium was a refreshing change of pace.
 
Jono8 said:
Also vettel says " I have no doubt he brake-checked me. I didn't run into the back of him on purpose. There is then a chain reaction."...errr no one else went in to the back of anyone, just you mate.
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The more he speaks the more bizarre it becomes, Hamilton was well within his rights to back the pack up, Vettel should have expected it with Perez blasting past him after the first restart.

It was a rookie mistake from Vettel perhaps that's why he's not just admitting to it. Hamilton must be getting to him.
 
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