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Poll: European Grand Prix 2017, Baku - Race 8/20
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Anderson propagates the lie that Hamilton braked checked Vettel when the telemetry says he didn't.
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Lets hope they up the punishment on Vet
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Anderson is a giant ***** and yeah, his take on the incident is laughable, Vettel's move was "a bit too much" but Hamilton "was wrong to brake check him", he basically stopped according to him and a tiny gap can easily be gained in a split second, ignoring that Vettel doesn't need to be that close, etc. Anderson has always come across as getting just about everything wrong.
Hamilton did nothing, Vettel hit Hamilton twice.
Soldato
Agreed
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A disqualification post-race, equivalent of a black flag during the race, would be appropriate.
Yup, might be a bit much to give him a penalty in one race and then ban him from the race. Just take him out of Baku (strip him of his points, and bump everyone behind him upu a place).
I think the fact he won't even apologise or admit he did anything wrong means they have to come down hard on him. If he thinks what he did was acceptable, he shouldnt be racing.
Soldato
FIA will just change the rules to make it a black flag incident and say that vettle was already penalized and will not add any extra punishment.
Soldato
Pastor Maldonado was given a 5 place grid penalty for the race after a far worse incident at greater speed in qualifying on Hamilton in 2011.
Personally I was happy with the 30 second punishment given the circumstances leading up to incident in question and the lack of danger given the speed. I could get onboard with a grid penalty in Austria in addition, but an exclusion, either from Baku or an upcoming race, would go too far in the circumstances in my opinion.
I have to say that I also feel that had Hamilton's headrest not been fitted in place incorrectly, and thus ended up behind Vettel even after his penalty, that it wouldn't have got to this stage and the complaints would be limited to fans discussing it.
Personally I was happy with the 30 second punishment given the circumstances leading up to incident in question and the lack of danger given the speed. I could get onboard with a grid penalty in Austria in addition, but an exclusion, either from Baku or an upcoming race, would go too far in the circumstances in my opinion.
I have to say that I also feel that had Hamilton's headrest not been fitted in place incorrectly, and thus ended up behind Vettel even after his penalty, that it wouldn't have got to this stage and the complaints would be limited to fans discussing it.
A black flag is a DQ 99% of the time. How wouldn't that be extra punishment?
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Schumacher did a similar thing to try and take out Villeneuve in Jerez, I believe he was excluded from the championship.
Obviously they won't do that this time , but I would not be surprised if something relatively serious happens.
Equally I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens, the decision making process in F1 is so unclear.
Personally if I was in charge I wouldn't know what to do, do they even have a rule that says you mustn't drive into your opponent while driving along side him to express anger while following the safety car.
Anyone insignificant money wise would get at least a 2 race ban , but a Ferrari in the first year for ages that they have produced a title challenger?
Obviously they won't do that this time , but I would not be surprised if something relatively serious happens.
Equally I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens, the decision making process in F1 is so unclear.
Personally if I was in charge I wouldn't know what to do, do they even have a rule that says you mustn't drive into your opponent while driving along side him to express anger while following the safety car.
Anyone insignificant money wise would get at least a 2 race ban , but a Ferrari in the first year for ages that they have produced a title challenger?
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Schumacher tried to remove Villeneuve from the race and thus decide the championship in his favour. That's very different to a relatively minor petulent moment at 25-30mph.
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The Maldonado incident was a lot less obvious and happened after that section of qualifying had ended.
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Everyone was calling for a black flag for Vettel before Hamilton had the head rest issue. LIkewise in your comparison Maldonado was given a penalty that effected him as much as possible, Vettel was gifted a hell of a long time before that penalty was applied, enough time to mean after his stop and go he'd come out in the points. They had 30+ mins to give this penalty and had they done so almost immediately(because there can simply be no defence for it) he would have had to serve it after the safety car came in and at a time he would have ended up right at the back.
The Maldonado thing they also decided wasn't fully Maldonado's fault, but decided Hamilton turned towards him as well, though the brunt of the blame was on Hamilton. So it's not the same situation, also Vettel hit Hamilton twice and under a damn safety car, not under what is a live/non neutralised track. Everything about this, two hits not one, safety car, other car doing absolutely nothing wrong, escalates it into being much worse than what Maldonado did imo.
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So you think someone who cannot control his emotions to the extent that he drives into an opponent in a petulant moment is safe to be allowed on a race track?
What would happen if he did that on a public road with the police watching. Probably dangerous driving or worse.
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I think a disqualification and a race ban would be appropriate. He deliberately drove into another driver under a safety car and then pretended he had done nothing wrong. That's utterly beyond the pale. A DQ is not enough for this severe a transgression.
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Yeah I think you are right.
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Has he ever done anything unsafe?
There are far worse drivers than Sebastian Vettel who have raced in F1, many of who have caused fatal accidents (one of which is hero of many).
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In future races not Baku
What makes the Vettel incident worse than the Schumacher on Villeneuve is that Schumacher was always in control and it was a calculating move to try to take Villeneuve out of the race. Vettel seems to have just completely lost it and people keep saying "well he was only doing 25-30mph" but what happens if he were to flip out at 180mph? the fact that he apparently can't even remember it probably adds more to the worry, if he genuinely can't remember it then it's worrying indeed. He needs some kind of psychiatric evaluation or at the least anger management to be honest.
It's good that the FIA are potentially taking this incident much more seriously, with all of the safety precautions in modern F1 having a driver who can't control his anger and loses control can't really be ignored. He's potentially a danger to other drivers.
Losing control of yourself in an F1 car is inherently very unsafe not just for him but the other drivers, you can point to his history but what matters is the present and future.
It's good that the FIA are potentially taking this incident much more seriously, with all of the safety precautions in modern F1 having a driver who can't control his anger and loses control can't really be ignored. He's potentially a danger to other drivers.
Losing control of yourself in an F1 car is inherently very unsafe not just for him but the other drivers, you can point to his history but what matters is the present and future.
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