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I also thought it was hilarious that Hamilton was made to pit due to safety concerns with his headrest (ie he wasn't allowed to continue until that was fixed), yet a driver who can't judge what a car in front of him is doing and then flys off the handle and rams someone for no reason (and under safety car conditions) is allowed to continue. Where was the safety concern with vettel's frame of mind?
 
deuse said:
I thought that Bernie bought up the name F1 years ago?. If your right then just think of another name.
The rules can be done by Brawn with out a problem a year before the new formula is brought in.
The income of F1 teams comes from the new owners and not the FIA.

The FIA just charge a lot of money to F1 teams\drivers for racing.
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So you don't think that the moment the FIA know a new formula will be starting up without them they will pull the plug instantly and all racing will have to stop ?

Or that they will start up years of legal wranglings during which nothing will be allowed to be held ?

And majority of income comes from sponsors who will not be happy at creating a war between new series and FIA, so could possibly start pulling out.

New rival series have been proposed many times, and even come to fruition a couple of times.

They never last as they never get the support from teams sponsors or even fans.
 
Entai said:
So you don't think that the moment the FIA know a new formula will be starting up without them they will pull the plug instantly and all racing will have to stop ?

Or that they will start up years of legal wranglings during which nothing will be allowed to be held ?

And majority of income comes from sponsors who will not be happy at creating a war between new series and FIA, so could possibly start pulling out.

New rival series have been proposed many times, and even come to fruition a couple of times.

They never last as they never get the support from teams sponsors or even fans.
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A company can't pull the plug on anything until the end of the contract.
Fans bring the most money in. Sponsorship has fallen in f1 year on year.

When the teams was going to do a break away from f1 there was panic.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
What do you base that on?
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Indeed, I think the days of questionable penalties favouring Ferrari left around 2006 with Schumacher.

I remember Sepang 2002 when Michael Schumacher hit Montoya from the side, knocking off Montoya's front wing in the process (Schumacher's car was unaffected), and Montoya got a 10 second stop/go for having the nerve to get in Schumacher's way. That was laughable.

Then there was the infamous Monza qualifying in 2006, when Alonso, trying to get to the line to start a fast lap after issues in Q3, was penalised for affecting Massa's lap, despite Massa being about 3-4 seconds behind and given the nature of the track was undoubtedly helped by Alonso's slipstream! That potentially helped Schumacher's championship position (though Alonso retired in the race anyway so ultimately had zero effect).
 
this_is_gav said:
Indeed, I think the days of questionable penalties favouring Ferrari left around 2006 with Schumacher.

I remember Sepang 2002 when Michael Schumacher hit Montoya from the side, knocking off Montoya's front wing in the process (Schumacher's car was unaffected), and Montoya got a 10 second stop/go for having the nerve to get in Schumacher's way. That was laughable.

Then there was the infamous Monza qualifying in 2006, when Alonso, trying to get to the line to start a fast lap after issues in Q3, was penalised for affecting Massa's lap, despite Massa being about 3-4 seconds behind and given the nature of the track was undoubtedly helped by Alonso's slipstream! That potentially helped Schumacher's championship position (though Alonso retired in the race anyway so ultimately had zero effect).
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lol, go on dailymotion and rewatch the 2008 season. If you think Ferrari weren't getting favourable treatment after 2006... just lol.

Hamilton locked up in one race, hit no one, t1 incident on the first lap... it was investigated but nothing had been decided, he was in a title fight with the Ferrari's though and a situation that I haven't seen penalised before or since was being investigated.

Hamilton then passed Massa cleanly, Massa then went all four wheels off track and hit Hamilton causing him to spin, this is by any measure absolutely crazy, he wasn't crowded, he wasn't forced off, he just cut the corner and hit his direct title rival.

Right after that the stewards handed both Hamilton and Massa the same drive through penalty. That is one of MANY decisions that year that all favoured Ferrari. Hamilton was punished significantly more severely for everything and Ferrari were let off with either no penalty or extremely lenient penalties throughout the season. This was also a similar situation in the timing of said penalty. That time they were investigating something extremely minor on Hamilton and the second they realised they HAD to punish the leading Ferrari competitor they punished Hamilton to neutralising the effect of the penalty on Ferrari. Here the reverse timing happened but the second they realised they could give Hamilton in effect a penalty which neutralises Vettel's penalty they announced both.

How long did they take to decide the Vettel penalty, personally I think it's a black flag, but if you decide stop and go it takes 3 seconds to determine he's guilty and another 2 minutes to decide which penalty. They waited an absolutely age to give it and only gave it once they knew Hamilton could be forced to come in. Considering Kimi's bargeboards hanging off were drastically more dangerous and caused a red flag yet they didn't care to bring him in but brought in Hamilton for something that didn't look like it would actually come loose that is bad enough.

Fact is without the headrest being a little loose, we have no idea what penalty they'd have given Vettel in the end. IT became easy to hand him a stop/go once they knew they could force Hamilton to pit as well. If Hamilton didn't pit maybe Vettel would only get 10 seconds added at the end, we just don't know.

The only reason there hasn't been a lot more till right now, is Ferrari were in title fights every season up to 2009, since then barely at all. The second Ferrari are actually leading in a title... the extremely dodgy decisions reappear. It never went away, there was just no situations it mattered since 2008.
 
deuse said:
"Todt is thinking about citing Vettel before the sport's court" http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...ettel-foul-gp-aserbaidschan-2017-3426455.html

I use chrome to translate it. I can't see the FIA doing bugger all.
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Yeah they wont do anything. I'll eat a small gerbil if a race ban happens.

Seeing as DR won I thought this would be acceptable to buy

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deuse said:
"Todt is thinking about citing Vettel before the sport's court" http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...ettel-foul-gp-aserbaidschan-2017-3426455.html

I use chrome to translate it. I can't see the FIA doing bugger all.
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It sounds very much like, lets pretend we're angry at him to make people think we don't just help out Ferrari, but as everyone else I don't think they'll actually do anything. Though Todt did kinda back himself into a corner over the last thing, where he let Vettel off with a warning that any more stuff and he might have to come down hard on him. At the time it was letting off a Ferrari driver expecting he would behave himself, but he made it sound like it was almost a suspended sentence, if you do something else bad we might punish you worse for not learning your lesson. He may feel compelled to act in this case to not look weak.
 
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