Sounds reasonable, heavy vehicles pay more lighter ones less they can grab tax from the purchase price aswell
EV Car tax question.
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You mean that’s 180mil in a Tory peers’ pocket?
Fujitsu doesn’t get out of the bed unless it is a £1bil scandal.
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but still loads of diesels which are not even ULEZ compliant will be driving around on £35 road tax
Also not seeing the problem here.
Frankly basing road tax on emissions is daft. Base it off efficiency, EV or ICE, make sure the people driving all these massive barges around are paying through the nose.
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I see where you are coming at BUT disagree. not that inefficient EVs should not pay more than efficient ones.... but an "efficient" diesel is still far more polluting than an inefficient EV so I think they should have 2 scales one for EVs and one for ice
and putting the value of the car in there just makes it sound like jealousy to be honest. a person buying a £200k car are already paying a bunch of tax via VAT , a posh car does no more damage to the roads or is no more causing congestion than a cheaper one (unless it's massive like a hummer).
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Why does the amount of pollution matter? There are many ways to incentivise people to move to EVs, like fixing the bloody charging situation so it's actually feasible to own one.
EVs trash the roads more than ICE, they should be paying their share of road tax.
I am all for moving to EVs, but they should not get a free pass, it's patently obvious that exemption cannot last.
The public finances are a mess, there is little better example I can think of of targetting tax where it is most affordable, is at people driving luxury supercars.
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our roads are trashed because they are half arsed repaired , water gets into them which freezes and then makes it worse, which then allows more water in , rinse and repeat. I have yet to see demonstrable reputable studies done which shows an ID3 for instance does more damage in a practical sense than a golf gdi . in theory I can see why it may be true but I am talking about actual facts and not from the same sources which say EVs give out more brake dust pollution (which IS demonstrably false and the opposite of what is true)
literally down the road from me the road a few months back was closed for a full resurface due to so many potholes. it looked great...aside from the water ******* out of a section of it presumably because they punctured a water main however that wasn't their problem so they still fully wrapped up, buggered off and left it to it, and then was like that .
it took ages but the road was closed again and repaired. and I bet it will fail again soon such is the quality of the repairs done
literally down the road from me the road a few months back was closed for a full resurface due to so many potholes. it looked great...aside from the water ******* out of a section of it presumably because they punctured a water main however that wasn't their problem so they still fully wrapped up, buggered off and left it to it, and then was like that .
it took ages but the road was closed again and repaired. and I bet it will fail again soon such is the quality of the repairs done
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I really hope you are just having a moment and are not seriously asking that?
I am with you on sorting out affordable destination public charging however
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They are heavier than ICEs in general.
Regardless, even if you assume they only have equal wear on the roads, they need to pay sensible levels of road tax, or the tax is going to come from somewhere else.
Pollution levels matter, and we should incentivise more efficient vehicles, regardless of ICE/EV.
I would have loved to buy an EV a couple months ago, but it's completely impractical due to the useless charging situation, so I bought an efficient diesel that only costs 35quid to tax.
You seem to think that should be punished and I should be subsidising people driving massive EVs? Pollution isn't all that matters.
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I agree EVs need to pay road tax but they are being treated harsher than ice cars. our diesel pug 308 was written off November.
it was not ULEZ compliant but was £35 a year tax and would have carried on that way.
why are EVs having their tax added to older cars when ice cars are not?
EVs used to cost a lot and the carrot of no road tax was used as one of the reasons to suck up the extra purchase cost. I don't usually agree with nasher but he was right when even he admitted it was a bait and switch.
imo like the luxury tax it should be added on going forward on new cars OR if they want to put on existing cars. put all ICE cars on the new tax bands as well
edit lol you have a £35 diesel as well.... I don't blame you getting one like I said we had one too.... but why should a diesel pay less tax than an EV? if EVs are backdated to pay £190 because of the new tax laddering then ice cars can too
even the most efficient diesel is a fraction of the effiency of an EV. I don't think people should get rid of perfectly decent ICE cars btw, I just think they should not get preferential treatment over 2nd hand evs
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There's nothing bait and switch about it. No one's ever been told that road tax rates are going to stay the same forever.
It's always been patently obvious that zero road tax on EVs can only ever be a temporary measure, anyone assuming we're going to avoid road tax ad infinitum is just dense, frankly.
Running a very efficient, used, 35 quid tax diesel until such time as there is sufficient charging infrastructure to move to EV is about the most environmentally conscious thing I can do.
EVs shouldn't be paying a flat road tax which is daft, they need a sensible progressive banding that rewards people buying smaller efficient cars and disincentivises the barges.
Because of the much heavier weight, EV's can often cause more damage to roads than a small petrol or diesel vehicles. So it's about time they started to pay the road fund licence to contribute to road upkeep.
Apart from cars reaching classic status which ICE cars don't have a road fund licence applicable? All ICE cars need it and, although there are several bands depending on emissions and age, the road fund licence for those vehicles does go get increased sometimes.
The rate for cars registered between 2001 and 2017 with sub 100g/km CO2 emissions is £0 and I don't believe that has ever been subject to a retrospective change, nor is there any suggestion there will be AFAIK.
I stand corrected
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fine retrospectively make EVs pay £190 but let all those "eco" diesels and 0 rate petrols face the same fate then.
Indeed! It’s inconceivable that they target a single class of vehicle. Whilst claiming “green” credentials
Tax bands based on weight could be a good incentive to get people out of the massive tanks that are so popular now. Like you say more weight = more damage
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