EV Car tax question.

[lordrobs]

So none of the usual things that people go on about?
Are they OK with the cars otherwise?

Honestly, yes. To summarise the 4...

Model 3 LR - very impressed by the performance. Likes the car in general.

Model 3 SR - thinks it's ok. Has had quality niggles

Kia Niro - loved it until recently with an issue that took over a month and multiple dealer visits to resolve, car was still drivable thankfully

Haven't really spoken to them much about the MG.

we did. and financially it has cost us dearly... but I still think it is the right thing to do for those who can afford it and who can charge themselves regardless of the fact I could have bought a performance ice car at a fraction of the price.

For some reason I thought you bought used.

 

[tonys]

Honestly, yes. To summarise the 4...

Model 3 LR - very impressed by the performance. Likes the car in general.

Model 3 SR - thinks it's ok. Has had quality niggles

Kia Niro - loved it until recently with an issue that took over a month and multiple dealer visits to resolve, car was still drivable thankfully

Haven't really spoken to them much about the MG.



For some reason I thought you bought used.

Ok, thanks. So they have similar problems that they would have with an ICE car.
Do any of them have issues with the range they can get?

 

[lordrobs]

Ok, thanks. So they have similar problems that they would have with an ICE car.
Do any of them have issues with the range they can get?

I'm taking the topic even further away from the OP but to answer your question, no. None of them have complaints about range but only only one of them doesn't have an ICE car also and none use the EV for work use.

While I said that none of them would have their current EV if it wasn't for the business incentive I think at least one will probably not go back to ICE.

The real petrol head among them was actually the most impressed with his (the Tesla LR).

 

[tonys]

I'm taking the topic even further away from the OP but to answer your question, no. None of them have complaints about range but only only one of them doesn't have an ICE car also and none use the EV for work use.

While I said that none of them would have their current EV if it wasn't for the business incentive I think at least one will probably not go back to ICE.

The real petrol head among them was actually the most impressed with his (the Tesla LR).

,
Interesting, thanks for that

 

[bigmike20vt]

Honestly, yes. To summarise the 4...

Model 3 LR - very impressed by the performance. Likes the car in general.

Model 3 SR - thinks it's ok. Has had quality niggles

Kia Niro - loved it until recently with an issue that took over a month and multiple dealer visits to resolve, car was still drivable thankfully

Haven't really spoken to them much about the MG.



For some reason I thought you bought used.

I did buy used.... which meant I could not get any of the tax dodges that many on here could get.

 

[lordrobs]

I did buy used.... which meant I could not get any of the tax dodges that many on here could get.

You did benefit from some pretty hefty depreciation though. They will always sell used (eventually) because the used market is to a degree self regulating. The price ends up being relative to what people are prepared to pay.

Other than one guy at work who dropped a huge chunk of cash on a brand new Model S I've never come across anyone who has bought a new EV without it being a purchase driven by BIK or write down. That is a problem, or at least it will be when the incentives are pulled.

Or as I stated earlier, maybe not, due to 2030 net zero (choice) mandate forcing people's hands.

 

[Kenai]

Or as I stated earlier, maybe not, due to 2030 net zero (choice) mandate forcing people's hands.

ZEV mandate isn't 100% ZE until 2035

 

[bigmike20vt]

You did benefit from some pretty hefty depreciation though. They will always sell used (eventually) because the used market is to a degree self regulating. The price ends up being relative to what people are prepared to pay.

Other than one guy at work who dropped a huge chunk of cash on a brand new Model S I've never come across anyone who has bought a new EV without it being a purchase driven by BIK or write down. That is a problem, or at least it will be when the incentives are pulled.

Or as I stated earlier, maybe not, due to 2030 net zero (choice) mandate forcing people's hands.

I bought at a bad time.. I am not complaining (much) it is what it is I guess but it's gone down £9k in 7months.

all cars depreciate a lot in the 1st few years so I don't think you can use that as an argument to tax 2nd hand evs more than demonstrably more polluting ICE cars (unless the government just own up and say they are not taxing based on emissions any more and are no longer concerned with that)

 

[lordrobs]

I bought at a bad time.. I am not complaining (much) it is what it is I guess but it's gone down £9k in 7months.

all cars depreciate a lot in the 1st few years so I don't think you can use that as an argument to tax 2nd hand evs more than demonstrably more polluting ICE cars (unless the government just own up and say they are not taxing based on emissions any more and are no longer concerned with that)

We've ended up here because I do love a tangent but going back to my original point (which lead on to the fact that incentives aside people aren't generally buying EVs from their hard earned cash) is that Joe public, as a whole, isn't particularly enamored with the idea of electric vehicles.

Joe public, as a whole, would generally kick up a much greater fuss if 'hard working struggling families' have the VED bumped up from £20 to £200 on their 10+ year old diesel cars.

That's all the justification they need.

I'm sorry you've taken such a bath on the iPace but no matter how you spin it losing £9k in 7 months on a used car is far from normal.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

all cars depreciate a lot in the 1st few years so I don't think you can use that as an argument to tax 2nd hand evs more than demonstrably more polluting ICE cars (unless the government just own up and say they are not taxing based on emissions any more and are no longer concerned with that)

The Government need to go back to a Road Tax, if you use the roads you pay to use them and that also includes me on my cycle.

Got to admit this thread got me looking on AutoTrader for used EVs and I was quite impressed what you can get for your money.
Being old and only driving locally with the biggest journey being 10 miles on a Thursday it seems to make sense to go EV next time.

 

[lordrobs]

The Government need to go back to a Road Tax, if you use the roads you pay to use them and that also includes me on my cycle.

I'm sure the government are all over that, probably why they are looking into allowing more powerful ebikes so they can get a tiered system in place. Cyclists are about as popular as electric vehicles with the populus so it would be an easy win too.

At least it would get around the "YOU DON'T PAY ROAD TAX" argument by Gary the Daily Mail subscriber driving his £20/yr diesel.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

At least it would get around the "YOU DON'T PAY ROAD TAX" argument by Gary the Daily Mail subscriber driving his £20/yr diesel.

and the creator of this thread

 

[bigmike20vt]

The Government need to go back to a Road Tax, if you use the roads you pay to use them and that also includes me on my cycle.

I agree and I would support that HOWEVER my issue is the double standards and I know it has been said it is probably because the government are afraid of annoying ice drivers, and it's probably true...... but after years of the government telling us how they want to get car emissions down , reverse ferreting on 0 car tax EVs but NOT Charging far dirtier diesels at least the same is just bonkers. and the hypocrisy that some (not accusing individuals here necessarily) will say EV drivers need to pay their way re tax, and that we were never told that EV tax would not increase.retrospectively but would throw toys out of Thier pram if their diesels were retrospectively treated the same as modern ones boggles me

 

[bigmike20vt]

and the creator of this thread

I genuinely don't see the problem with anything I said. I think everything I said was fair
but that said the point of this topic was to get EV drivers getting the best deal they legally can , it just went OT somewhat
it's actually been way easier to move my tax date than I had hoped so am well happy with that at least.

no SORNing needed and I got 11 months extra not 6 (so long as they don't change the rules again)

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I agree and I would support that HOWEVER my issue is the double standards and I know it has been said it is probably because the government are afraid of annoying ice drivers, and it's probably true...... but after years of the government telling us how they want to get car emissions down , reverse ferreting on 0 car tax EVs but NOT Charging far dirtier diesels at least the same is just bonkers. and the hypocrisy that some (not accusing individuals here necessarily) will say EV drivers need to pay their way re tax, and that we were never told that EV tax would not increase.retrospectively but would throw toys out of Thier pram if their diesels were retrospectively treated the same as modern ones boggles me

Politicians never trust any of them, say one thing and then do another.
The problem is the more people that buy EVs the more the Govt aren't receiving in vehicle tax so they have to get it from somewhere.
My drummer is upset by it, he has a Tesla and is right pee'd off he might have to pay tax when he was promised he wouldn't.
The thing is he earns a lot of money and it won't make a dent but it's the principle.

Over the last few years and even on Thursday I was adamant I'd never have an EV, I'm now seriously looking at them after somebody in this thread said "Nobody buys used EVs" .

I genuinely don't see the problem with anything I said. I think everything I said was fair

No such thing as Road Tax.

 

[bigmike20vt]

I know it isn't technically road tax but everyone knows what is meant by it.

I know I am biased but if you can charge at home and don't do huge miles I just can't see why you wouldn't want one. they are not contrary to the daily express et al all big heavy lumps and right now there are insane bargains to be had.

I mean jesus... an Audi "fat etron" (which is a big heavy lump but an incredible quality one) with under 30k on the clock 3 years old for 23k, or an ipace of similar age for not much more.. you can even get a tesla.model S facelift or early ipace for 16kish!... wow.

(or a sensible Zoe/Hyundai ionic / 40kwh leaf from 7-13k).

 

[lordrobs]

I agree and I would support that HOWEVER my issue is the double standards and I know it has been said it is probably because the government are afraid of annoying ice drivers, and it's probably true...... but after years of the government telling us how they want to get car emissions down , reverse ferreting on 0 car tax EVs but NOT Charging far dirtier diesels at least the same is just bonkers. and the hypocrisy that some (not accusing individuals here necessarily) will say EV drivers need to pay their way re tax, and that we were never told that EV tax would not increase.retrospectively but would throw toys out of Thier pram if their diesels were retrospectively treated the same as modern ones boggles me

The problem is you are taking the words of the government and not putting them through the virtue signalling BS filter.

Our prime minister had to have the local electricity distribution upgraded to meet the demands of HEATING HIS PRIVATE SWIMMING POOL. That alone tells you how much he cares about "net zero".

The whole lot of them play us for the fools that we are. Who can blame them, they live on a different level to most of us. Rishi pulled in 22 million last year and still paid less percentage as tax than I did. Even the Starmatron 3000 pulled in a cool million and I'm not even convinced he's not some kind of beta algorithm android trying to process the consensus of the nation and divert tack accordingly!

Damn it... What was I saying about my love of tangents and there I go again *facepalm*

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I know I am biased but if you can charge at home and don't do huge miles I just can't see why you wouldn't want one. they are not contrary to the daily express et al all big heavy lumps and right now there are insane bargains to be had.

I mean jesus... an Audi "fat etron" (which is a big heavy lump but an incredible quality one) with under 30k on the clock 3 years old for 23k, or an ipace of similar age for not much more.. you can even get a tesla.model S facelift or early ipace for 16kish!... wow.

(or a sensible Zoe/Hyundai ionic / 40kwh leaf from 7-13k).

I'm actually being converted and up until yesterday and this thread I was anti EV.
We also don't do huge miles, max of 100 a week and that's an exaggeration and when you look at AutoTrader there's a converter to tell you how many hours you need to charge to run the car for a week.

 

[bigmike20vt]

unless you are desperate take your time and go for some test drives.

our i3 with the middle sized battery does give or take 100 miles on a charge. that takes about 4 hrs to charge from 15% to full. that is with a 7kwh home charge point. it would take maybe 3x that on a 3 pin plug but over a week maybe not an issue (I would say make sure your electrics are tip top at home if you plan to charge exclusively on a "granny" 3pin charge cable.

 

[Meatball]

Question regarding the EV tax Charges: My 2020 Kona EV is now showing this when I do a DVLA vehicle enquiry on the GOV.UK website:

I read this as my car being liable for the ‘premium car 40k+’ tax band as of next year, but my understanding is that luxury tax isn’t being backdated to EVs next year, only the £180 standard rate charge?