Yep, Audi and BMW "sports" suspension is basically like having no suspension :/
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Yep, Audi and BMW "sports" suspension is basically like having no suspension :/
Really liked the look of the 208. Numbers didn't work for me though, so I've got an Ioniq on the way.
The best time to own an EV was ~5 years ago. My home charger was free. The OLEV grant was £1,000 more. And Ecotricity hadn't started charging people to use their 50kW chargers yet. You could literally drive the length of the country for nowt.
But now is still pretty good. And the cars are a lot more practical than they were.
208 looks to be pretty much there as what I would consider a usable ev (leafs etc would still require access to an ice car). Price is still prohibitive for my current circumstances but a couple of years and a few more choices on the market should fix that.
Except now BEVs have proper range.
That's a bit of a generalisation though, since 'proper' to one person is different to another. A car with a 60 mile range would happily suit my mother-in-law as she never goes more than 10 miles away from her house in her car, the same for my elderly neighbour who does 4 miles to and from work and that is it.
Just use the example of the average car mileage for the UK at ~8,000 miles per year, and the average UK work commute is/was 8.8 miles per day.
I'm not saying that it is good enough just it is best to not use such concrete terms, when it maybe applies to how you think, rather than being perfectly fine for many, many other people.
(like the newbie property subsidy) not sure the government subsidies were necessarily benefitting the consumer - the car manufacturer/meter installer, can just inflate prices, and consumer ownership cost, is, what it would have been anyway ... that will be a fine balance for future initiatives too.
Are manufacturers already making a bigger gpm for bev's ?
The earlier point about the relatively high cost of bev battery pack and motor - I though M3 battery pack was about 2K$ (don't know about motor) and they made 6K$ per car, 20% gpm is that ?, the 64K$ Q is how does that compare with ICE ?, so, are they currently charging a premium ?
maybe non-recurring engineering costs are real high ... but Tesla's / i3's / leafs have been around a while now.
Are manufacturers already making a bigger gpm for bev's ?
The earlier point about the relatively high cost of bev battery pack and motor - I though M3 battery pack was about 2K$ (don't know about motor) and they made 6K$ per car, 20% gpm is that ?, the 64K$ Q is how does that compare with ICE ?, so, are they currently charging a premium ?
maybe non-recurring engineering costs are real high ... but Tesla's / i3's / leafs have been around a while now.
that did leave 90miles per weekend
Most manufacturers are losing money per BEV when total program costs are considered. The gross margin is not a good metric, particularly this early in the BEVs development. I can’t see cars like the EQC ever making a ‘profit’, that as an obscene development costs associated with it.
Once manufactures get to scale then I can see the gross margin falling and the segment getting more competitive because the development costs are spread across far more cars.
The exceptions are Tesla, Nissan and Renault, funnily enough, they are the only ones that are really producing them at scale currently. The latter I think are only just profitable. The car market is very competitive, margins are pretty low on your run of the mil cars.
Once manufactures get to scale then I can see the gross margin falling and the segment getting more competitive because the development costs are spread across far more cars.
The exceptions are Tesla, Nissan and Renault, funnily enough, they are the only ones that are really producing them at scale currently. The latter I think are only just profitable. The car market is very competitive, margins are pretty low on your run of the mil cars.
It was an observation on the area I work and live and will grab you some pics this weekend so you can observe the parking mayhem. Since our local council has prohibited driveways for more than one car and a no garage policy on new developments it has complicated the issue.
Your right plugs don't take up much room but sadly the whole car needs to be parked next to it or am I missing something.
All well and good if we stick a charging point into everything that protrudes above the surface of the ground but I can only imagine the territorial parking wars that will happen when everyone returns from work.
Although I am hearing that Porsche are soon to introduce a 400kw charger that can charge a battery in a vastly reduced time. This I can see feasible as petrol stations could adapt into charging stations.
Lets hope the Government doesn't leave us all high and dry trying to meet this dealine. There is a huge amount of infrastructure change required to pull this off. That includes the power grid. We still have gas power stations that are well overdue replacement. We can't kid ourselves the current network can cope with this change.
Sadly Governments don't historically have a good history of pulling such projects off.
We can only wait and pray.
One annoyance which i found today while i personally decide what to do, the insurance uplift between an E350 AMG-Sport Cabriolet and a Tesla Model S 70D is annoyingly high, i am used to very low premiums but the S is approx 300% uplift. I can only think due to potential repair costs due to extended hire car and hard to source panels, expensive sensors, etc?
Understood re the data, these are cars for which it must be difficult to model vs a Mercedes with decades of similar models in its history.Usually it's the other way round. They start cheap until statistics start rolling in. That's why quite rare cars are cheap to insure.
Takes a bit of shopping around with the better performing EVs. LV, NFU, Admiral and H&L Insurance seem to be commonly used among the Tesla crowd.
Given the performance of the faster EVs, I wouldn't be surprised if drivers are quite prone to having minor accidents.
Or instead of making it up you could just read the actual facts.
https://www.whatcar.com/advice/owning/are-electric-cars-more-expensive-to-insure/n18043