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Based on what. A YouTube of someone else’s opinion. Just wish he’d actually go drive some EVs. He’s never even driven one yet comments on them more than most.
Might surprise myself a bit tomorrow, going to Stockport to drive a tesla. Not been in one before and never driven an EV so not sure how it'll go but might as well try it and then i can either rule it out or in. I've been in my brothers ID3 which wasn't great and my brother in laws BMW IX1 which although fully specced wouldn't be something i would go for as just seemed cramped inside.
One i'm looking at is a 2021 M3LR with 30odd k on it. Not sure on the white but i think its worth the 2 hour drive to have a look and drive.
My only worry with PCP for the car is i only moved house a couple of months ago and what happens if i sell mine to WBAC then finance doesn't go through :S I earn a decent wage and have no debts aside from the mortgage.
One i'm looking at is a 2021 M3LR with 30odd k on it. Not sure on the white but i think its worth the 2 hour drive to have a look and drive.
My only worry with PCP for the car is i only moved house a couple of months ago and what happens if i sell mine to WBAC then finance doesn't go through :S I earn a decent wage and have no debts aside from the mortgage.
Do the PCP application, then you sell your and pay deposit before you collect it.
ahhh ok didn't know i could do that thanks
one thing not to worry about. Least the guy at tesla were honest and just said they'll offer me a rubbish amount for my car as it's not a tesla.
That is the kind of thing I am after. What is the price ticket on the car? Is it through Tesla?
Main one is up at 26900, might head to Manchester to look at a black one too which is up at 28400
Don't think anyone other than car reviewers have driven anything on VW PPE platform yet
I'm quite underwhelmed, much better charging speeds but they haven't moved the game on much on efficiency it seems.
What’s the obsession with efficiency. It’s like saying an m3 is rubbish vs a 320d due to efficiency. Judge the car as a car. It’s not a washing machine or light bulb
There still physics which is never gonna be broke. A car of X size still needs to move the same air and the gains are in single % when the motors are 95% efficient
It’s not like electric is expensive anyway (at the moment ). So what if a mile costs 2.5p rather than 2p
There still physics which is never gonna be broke. A car of X size still needs to move the same air and the gains are in single % when the motors are 95% efficient
It’s not like electric is expensive anyway (at the moment ). So what if a mile costs 2.5p rather than 2p
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Errr sure the car industry is spending billions on more efficient EVs because clearly they are stupid and irrational.
More efficiency = less heat, improved packaging of the motor and electronics, lower cost, fewer battery cells needed for a given range meaning reduced weight. Also charging at any particular rate (eg. 200kW) the more efficient your car, the more miles/hour you are adding leading.
So it's not just 2p vs 2.5p, it's a cheaper car to buy because the battery can be smaller, improved interior space because of the reduced room required for the drivetrain, better ride quality because of the lower weight, faster charging.
Sorry but you assume that efficiency is the only design goal of an EV. Or are you assuming that @Simon was arguing efficiency did not matter at All? I think the point is when it comes to fine margins of ~10% lower efficiency, most people are not going to be concerned at the increased running costs. Or that their EV of choice needs a 10% bigger battery to cover the same range. Or has a bit less range for the same size battery.
The PPE platform is designed for larger VAG EVs. They are not designed to be super efficient, they are designed for a certain demographic. I think that’s worth remembering.
The PPE platform is designed for larger VAG EVs. They are not designed to be super efficient, they are designed for a certain demographic. I think that’s worth remembering.
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It’s only cos people care in the markets. Efficiency wouldn’t actually mean 100kWh+ packs!
Latest harry video was hilarious, meaning about the gen1 mini Ev range, then test driving the new one enjoying the range but continually mentioning the weight!!
Point is there loads of attributes. Ie taycan is ace and feels like you are in a race car, a model Y sends you to sleep as it’s so dull.
You dont buy a Range Rover for efficiency so if you buy a big EV why expect it suddenly. This was my point. Aero is king and you are comparing a Macan to a saloon or hatch.
PPE is for big cars. If it was in a Yaris then I’m sure it would be mega efficient. You are using efficiency to judge the ‘technology’ where the actual car has more of an impact. 270kW charging is plenty enough.
PPE uses Wet motors too with nice thin oil to eke out that extra %. Other new bits and bibs but even if it got 10% better efficiency it’s not suddenly able to have a bigger cabin etc. you still need big batteries to be able to power the motors with enough current (buzz bars etc)
800V isn’t some magic bullet either. From my trips I don’t think the EV6 was massively different to the ID4 in real world. I guess that’s because they are similar size cars
Not sure where the stupid and irrational comment came from ? I think some people this EVs are like a graphics card or something and suddenly we are going to move from 10um to 3um
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You said what's the obsession with efficiency, I explained why efficiency matters.
On the same note, where have I ever compared a Macan to a saloon or hatch. All I said was I wasn't that impressed by the PPE platform as a 2024 product. If it had launched on time a couple of years ago that would have been a different story.
Then you took the obsession comment out of context. The point was not that efficiency doesn’t matter but than when we are at relatively fine margins, it is not that important to obsess over.
The vast majority will not pick one car over another purely because it is a bit more efficient or gives slightly better MPG.
The vast majority will not pick one car over another purely because it is a bit more efficient or gives slightly better MPG.
Why you not impressed? You said efficiency wasn’t good?
The tech has been ready a few years but the car launch was pushed back. Again it’s not a graphics card. I imagine the driving dynamics of the vehicles it goes into will be more appealing.
I think it's the opposite, people are taking my comment out of context
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When did I ever say that?
What is there to be impressed about? It feels to me like VAG are just catching up with the Chinese/Korean competition and lagging a year or two behind. What new things does it bring to the table that I am meant to be impressed by?
Let me turn this around a little bit... why have you guys suddenly turned into jpaul and now thinking PPE platform is so amazing? Would love to hear the takes
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careful with accusations like that - i can read these sentences 
This is quite a good intro to PPE for anyone actually interesting and can look beyond comparing to shopping trolley MG3s and Konas.
This is quite a good intro to PPE for anyone actually interesting and can look beyond comparing to shopping trolley MG3s and Konas.
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Neither - its just the same as everything else announced in 2019 they just took longer putting it into a car...
Why do you think PPE is new?
To you point about efficient and size of components, this is where the PPE motors are smaller and are giving access to more room to the cabin (and likely without whine like other motors) again NVH is a parameter that shouldn't be ignored. Going from a Cupra Born to a Kia Soul is marked increase in motor noise. Tesla motors are hunks of kit etc etc. Again its beyond stats on paper a powertrain should be judge on it. The PPE motors are impressive
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Not really, there’s not much to take out of context. You stated the PPE was not impressive and the only metric you provided was that it wasn’t efficient. If that is your only metric then that’s not a failure of the PPE platform.
There really is nothing to take out of context there.
It was pointed out that efficiency is not always the ultimate aim for all EVs and that the VAG PPE platform was not specifically designed with only efficiency in mind. It was designed as a very quiet platform for higher end premium level VAG EVs. The people buying those are not foing to care about an extra few hundred quid each year (at best) to run them.
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