See the date on that?careful with accusations like that - i can read these sentences
This is quite a good intro to PPE for anyone actually interesting and can look beyond comparing to shopping trolley MG3s and Konas.
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I said I'm not that impressed by it and mentioned one thing I don't like about it, you have then assumed it's the ONLY thing I care about. So yes you have interpreted it to suit your ends rather than actually what I meant.
Because no paying customers have got cars built on the platform yet? The first 2 models using PPE have been announced but not reached delivery stage but it's not a new platform?
If the fact that the motors are quiet and NVH is good means you love the platform then fair enough
I know it's the internet but actually it is possible to respect that without trying to tell you you're wrong. Just as it is legitimate for me not to think that's particularly difficult to do, has been done before, and doesn't make up for the late delivery, high cost and dodgy software issues on top of the lack of efficiency that testers are reporting despite them going all out on Si/SiC electronics and the rest.
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You can literally read my reasoning above.
Too late, too expensive, in my view it is catching up with the market rather than leading it.
I think you have somehow interpreted 'not impressed' to mean 'junk' when it means 'just another platform that's nothing special'.
Like if MEB is McDonalds and PPE is Five Guys (and GMP is Nandos, SEA is Wagamamas or whatever) then sure, it is better than McDonalds. But it's another chain restaurant serving decent food, not a Michelin starred restaurant.
I really don’t know what people are expecting next gen cars to be. The batteries might get more energy dense but they are still going to need to have the same capacity. Maybe a small efficiency gain from less weight but then there’s less energy the regen the other side of it.
Again a focus on peak charging too. Rather than area under curve
But then we sit and realise we are talking about the fuel tank only and people ignore the motors and any features of them.
Again a focus on peak charging too. Rather than area under curve
But then we sit and realise we are talking about the fuel tank only and people ignore the motors and any features of them.
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Again, I mentioned it once. Why does that make me obsessed
Only thing you mentioned about the whole platform though.Again, I mentioned it once. Why does that make me obsessed
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Correct, because I was writing a quick one line response on a forum, not doing some sort of assignment writing an essay settings out in its entirety my pros, cons and conclusion on the PPE platform. Maybe I should have just gone full jpaul and declared how AMAZING it is instead to join in the groupthink and avoid this tiresome debate lol
Your premise was the PPE platform was unimpressive because it was not much better for efficiency. The rebuttal was that the focus with EV efficiency under such small margins of difference, was a bit obsessive. Your entire post about better efficiency meaning lighter cars and better comfort and smaller batteries, kinda proved the point to be frank.
I can't even work out if you think it's great or not to be honest. You've ignored all my other points which I didn't have time to include in my initial response.
I've already expanded my thoughts to include the fact that it's 2 years late, catching up with the competition, software still a question mark but yeah bang on about efficiency mate.
Now instead of telling me why it's incorrect to obsess about efficiency (a straw man argument that tbh is based on a ridiculous truism since obviously efficiency can't be the only thing that anyone cares about) tell me why PPE isn't underwhelming?
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Yeah I was conscious of that date when sharing ha.
Truth is the push and advance is for cost down and material cost. Hence no foot garages like J1 taycan.
Truth is the push and advance is for cost down and material cost. Hence no foot garages like J1 taycan.
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Well...that's a bloody great start to my Tesla experience..!
All week the app and txt messages have been saying pick up 12:00 tomorrow... This morning arranged the insurance change and paid the extra plus admin fee ...
14:30 today , sorry Sir, we had a technical issue, your car is still in transport and will be another week...
My first ever new car, my first EV and Tesla ...you can imagine my disappointment
All they offered was to pay my insurance admin fee...
You are moving those goalposts again. Absolutely nobody was arguing it was good, or anything more than an incremental improvement. Just that efficiency is not the be all and end all of EV evolution many think it is. The PPE platform was never designed to be super efficient, just an incremental improvement.
The Audi A6 e-tron has a greater range than the Audi Q6 e-tron, with the hatchback version of the A6 e-tron having a range of up to 466 miles compared to the Q6 e-tron's range of up to 393 miles. 100kWh battery
Pretty good to me and shows the difference the car body makes
Pretty good to me and shows the difference the car body makes
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Sucks but at least you aren't out of pocket for the admin fee, I do wonder how it could take another week though. Is it on the slow boat from China still?
Yeah, not bad at all and pretty much in line with other EVs including those Koreans Chanjy was saying it was 2 years behind on efficiency.
Certainly nothing to get all obsessed about
Sorry @chanjy just a friendly debate. Just from what I read the PPE platform was an evolution for VAG and brought it roughly in line with the competition. Not great but certainly decent enough to be within touching distance.
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