So.... it would be fair to be underwhelmed by an incremental improvement then? Pretty much the definition of underwhelming. Why have we spent the last page having this stupid debate if you actually agree with me.
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All good just didn't feel very friendly!Yeah, not bad at all and pretty much in line with other EVs including those Koreans Chanjy was saying it was 2 years behind on efficiency.
Certainly nothing to get all obsessed about
Sorry @chanjy just a friendly debate. Just from what I read the PPE platform was an evolution for VAG and brought it roughly in line with the competition. Not great but certainly decent enough to be within touching distance.
But actually when you get into the detail it feels like by the end we pretty much are saying the same thing
Can see why you took it so hard mate. I'm sure they are great cars, just we have had so many good EVs come out over the last 12-18 months already! The CARIAD guys screwed you over with the delays huh.
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Yeah. I think in the past Tesla were given far too much credit for technical wizardry giving them better range when the reality was that they were making saloons (Model S) while everyone else was entering the market with SUVs.
Test drove a model 3 today, have to say it is so interesting to drive having never been in one, the regen braking would certainly take some getting used to. I had some things I thought I wouldn't like such as the speedo being part of the screen and lack of buttons to be be fair I didn't find myself taking my eye of the road like I thought I would and I used the voice command to do most of the stuff.
Tesla were easy to deal with, gave me 30 mins to go off and drive, they told me to put a destination in the sat nav which he said would cover off most scenarios. I actually took a wrong junction and ended up being out for 45mins in it but they didn't realy mind.
Car is a lot quieter and less firm than my current car, doesn't feel overly quick when you don't want it to (so creeping in traffic) but does pickup so well when I floored it.
Only slight issues for me...
Door card in the back is damaged which they said they would replace and the maps I thought you'd get sat maps but it wasn't, he said it's £9.99 a month to be able to use them.
Overall I went with expectations that I probs wouldn't want it and came away with the total opposite view. What a car =)
Tesla were easy to deal with, gave me 30 mins to go off and drive, they told me to put a destination in the sat nav which he said would cover off most scenarios. I actually took a wrong junction and ended up being out for 45mins in it but they didn't realy mind.
Car is a lot quieter and less firm than my current car, doesn't feel overly quick when you don't want it to (so creeping in traffic) but does pickup so well when I floored it.
Only slight issues for me...
Door card in the back is damaged which they said they would replace and the maps I thought you'd get sat maps but it wasn't, he said it's £9.99 a month to be able to use them.
Overall I went with expectations that I probs wouldn't want it and came away with the total opposite view. What a car =)
Think I'm about to put an order in on an ID.7 Tourer - I've been waiting for a decent EV estate to replace my C-class for a while and I think this fits the bill. Unfortunately the really good lease deals only cover the basic spec, but there's enough standard equipment there (my Merc doesn't even have AA/Carplay) so I think it will be fine. Plus it's only for two years so hopefully there'll be a few more options on the market once I'm done with it.
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Who knows... As everything seemingly is automated these days it does seem a bit odd that they don't know the location of their cars.Sucks but at least you aren't out of pocket for the admin fee, I do wonder how it could take another week though. Is it on the slow boat from China still?
I've calmed down now, it's not the end of the world,
Driven any other EVs?
To be fair, I thought the PPE platform was looking pretty good, specifically in Q6 etron guise.
It’s going to put a lot of pressure on slightly cheaper cars like the Model Y below it given its £60k starting list price.
I think the Model Y long range I have was £55k (car plus paint & tow bar). But for £60k, I’d take the etron any day of the week. Give it 6 months and the discounts start flowing, Q6’s will be on par with the Model Y price wise.
It’s going to put a lot of pressure on slightly cheaper cars like the Model Y below it given its £60k starting list price.
I think the Model Y long range I have was £55k (car plus paint & tow bar). But for £60k, I’d take the etron any day of the week. Give it 6 months and the discounts start flowing, Q6’s will be on par with the Model Y price wise.
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It doesn't seem good value for money tbh..
The basic spec looks great, 360 cam, HUD, massage seats. No pan roof, heat pump or upgraded sound system which are options but similar to most cars there.
A heat pump is always overrated here in the UK. My experience of identical EVs with and without is the difference is ~5% of extra range in UK winter. If you live in the Highlands of Scotland maybe 10% at best. I don’t care how often you do long journeys in winter, that £1000 of extra cost is a hard sell for the majority of people.
The sad thing is many EVs include one in the spec as standard, but obviously that isn’t free. So you don’t get the chance to spec without a heat pump to save some easy money. So it’s good VW offer that option.
The sad thing is many EVs include one in the spec as standard, but obviously that isn’t free. So you don’t get the chance to spec without a heat pump to save some easy money. So it’s good VW offer that option.
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Standard Match spec is more than adequate. They only do match and Gtx specs really. Then you have the exterior pack (dcc and better lighting mainly) and interior pack (HK audio and more massage and cooling on seats). The roof is something I ordered. HUD is good, 360 can have crap resolution though.
Decent car for the deals on offer at the moment imo
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Thanks, doesn't seem to bad for what you get but at least there's 30 days to figure it out. When i test drove it had the card key thing, but good to get a look when i next go down at the phone key and what that can do. Exciting stuff.
Has anyone used non tesla roof bars on them? the ones tesla sell are out of stock. I'm used to a big hatcback boot but for the longer holidays might need a roof box.
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@JustBen. Please don’t pick the first EV you test drive. Especially if you have to compromise on your normal use cases.
Go test drive some other EVs in a similar price bracket. If you want a very premium Audi with a big boot, there are some decent E-Tron 55s out there for ~£20k - £22k and 40,000 miles or less. Or if you prefer a less premium and more economical yet practical EV, an Enyaq 80 AWD is a great option.
Look at some of the Korean stuff as well as a Model Y for some very good practical EVs. Far more practical and drive just as well or better than a Tesla Model 3 saloon.
I’m not knocking the Model 3, just that if you are already considering roof bars, then clearly a saloon shape is a major compromise for your needs. There are more than enough used EV options out there that won’t require such a compromise.
Edit: Sorry if I am making assumptions on your budget.
Go test drive some other EVs in a similar price bracket. If you want a very premium Audi with a big boot, there are some decent E-Tron 55s out there for ~£20k - £22k and 40,000 miles or less. Or if you prefer a less premium and more economical yet practical EV, an Enyaq 80 AWD is a great option.
Look at some of the Korean stuff as well as a Model Y for some very good practical EVs. Far more practical and drive just as well or better than a Tesla Model 3 saloon.
I’m not knocking the Model 3, just that if you are already considering roof bars, then clearly a saloon shape is a major compromise for your needs. There are more than enough used EV options out there that won’t require such a compromise.
Edit: Sorry if I am making assumptions on your budget.
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if the default rims are 20" , maybe downsize to 19's for comfort w/o DCCpro, that's my strategy on bm's
which evs do you think have been landmarks over that period ? quite a few chinese/korean models, lots of publicity, that have little penetration in the UK market genesis/nio/seal
and these brands also in a holding pattern pending eu/uk duty decisions. ex-30 (see how 2nd hand values pan out after it's honeymoon) and yet to be released renault5, plus id7 would be my picks
If VAG are genuinely late, as opposed to just in time, Mercedes and BMW are in the same situation with toyota - feels like the tortoises and chinese hares.
I thought the new, desirable, vag motors with the hair-pin on meb/270ps like id7, had common tech with PPE, so it's not PPE alone bringing improvements.
I had a quick go in the model y that had in as that is on a 0% deal at the moment so was tempting but it's just too big for me. they had a model x which looked like it would be brilliant to be a passenger but not drive.
I had a look at an Audi Q4 E-tron last week, didn't drive it though. My current car is a little big for normal driving so was looking for a smaller car. My car only gets the boot full on the odd occasion we go somewhere self catering such as a static caravan the rest of the time there's only me in the car or 2 our of the 3 kids. Very rare we have a car full so the roof bars are going to be for the odd time a year. The car i have been looking out for a BMW m340i which i was accepting that i would need roof bars occasionally for that too plus it'd be pushing the budget a little. Maybe a BMW I4/5 would be an option when i ahve more funds or they come down in price. Tesla seems a good deal in terms of price, warranty, worst case scenario i'll pay it off early and get something else. So although it'll have been the first electric car to be driven (drove y afterwards) it's the umpteenth car i've kicked tires / test driven trying to find something i fancy.
Yeah, and nothing in the option packs justifies the massive jump in monthly payments on. Who knows, maybe I'll be able to pick up a higher spec'd model used in a few years once I'm done with the lease.
My I-Pace salary sacrifice lease ends in May and I’m looking at options in the used £15k - £20k range. I would be looking a smaller EV like a MG4 or ID.3. The problem is using that much of my savings will cost about £1000 or more per year interest. Obviously a loan would be worse on interest costs and the 0% interest deals are all for new cars.
So now I start thinking lease again for the hassle free aspect of it all. A cheapish lease EV that is paid for out of the salary that is over the 40% threshold.
With tax savings and the interest on my untouched savings, would I be more than making up for the loss in pension?
So now I start thinking lease again for the hassle free aspect of it all. A cheapish lease EV that is paid for out of the salary that is over the 40% threshold.
With tax savings and the interest on my untouched savings, would I be more than making up for the loss in pension?