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Moving on from the weight debate, I spotted this interesting little Chinese Dacia Spring rival doing the YouTube promo rounds.

The interesting part about the Leapmotor T03 is that Stellantis have a minority stake in the Chinese company and a 51% stake in the European joint venture. These will be produced (well assembled) in Europe in an existing Stellantis factory and sold into the EU and presumably the UK for £16k list (twice the cost in China mind).

The on paper specs look fine for a little cheap city car and looks much better put together than a Dacia Spring:
165 miles WLTP range, 95HP, 12.5 to 60, 15" wheels, big sun roof etc.


China is coming one way or another I guess...
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
No but that it does have is is a huge evening peaks and had to run expensive gas generation to cover it and our energy is priced at the marginal rate meaning for the ~2 hour during the evening peak all electricity costs £lol.

Most people are on flat rate pricing so there is no incentive to not turn on everything you own during that said evening peak as there is no visibility of the 'real' price.
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Then V2G becomes not about demand but market forces, prices. You pull such energy as you can sell. Defeating the much of the point. I'm over simplifying it obviously, and the numbers of cars with V2G will be tiny for a long time.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Moving on from the weight debate, I spotted this interesting little Chinese Dacia Spring rival doing the YouTube promo rounds.

The interesting part about the Leapmotor T03 is that Stellantis have a minority stake in the Chinese company and a 51% stake in the European joint venture. These will be produced (well assembled) in Europe in an existing Stellantis factory and sold into the EU and presumably the UK for £16k list (twice the cost in China mind).

The on paper specs look fine for a little cheap city car and looks much better put together than a Dacia Spring:
165 miles WLTP range, 95HP, 12.5 to 60, 15" wheels, big sun roof etc.


China is coming one way or another I guess...
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I wouldn't pick one over the used alternatives. I realise I'm not the target market.
 
OspreyO said:
Does the UK have shortage at peak with frequent blackouts? Dunno I'm not in the UK.
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No, think of it more like load balancing. Peak during early to late evening as the population make dinner and so on after getting home from work. If your EV with V2G or V2H is plugged in and powering your home for a few hours, or just helping the grid. Then it can be topped up off peak when demand is lower.

Edit: Obviously this is more for future consideration as more EV adoption increases and is mandated.
 
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Octopus are doing a V2G trial at the moment but the pricing model is that they give you zero cost home EV charging. Given EV charging costs buttons it’s not enough of an incentive to buy the kit needed.

Being on variable pricing for the whole home, and having the ability to avoid the 4-8pm peak would be a much better incentive (am sure that is where we will get to).
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Most don't now. They simply install a new circuit for the charger.
The V2H specs specifically say they must shut down in a power cut as well.
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I don't think the BS/other has stated a standard that forces any such thing, and that a PEI just needs to ensure an EESS or similar e.g. PV, be capable of either, a full island mode or disconnect within the current regulations set at ~20ms, and that the also posses the ability to pass G100 or equivalent for export.

For all intents an purposes a you will have people who have never dreamed of home PV/battery storage, so no current equipment, having their first charger a bi-directional charger installed, and at that point the options will likely be offered the option of having it configured either way, the same as you have now when you opt to do a solar install.
 
OspreyO said:
The whole Idea of increasing demand off peak only to feed it back seems like a recipe to increase off peak demand to a point where there is no off peak.
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which is precisely what the goal is.. to break the back of the duck curve and try to get approximately demand matching renewable supply.
 
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alchal said:
Want some nut and bolt cookies ?

The choice is limited compared to petrol isn't it..vastly so.
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You've not indicated it the size of car you are interested in, just stated they are all huge SUV's, which is completely incorrect. There are of lot of models for many manufacturers that are not SUV's, and if looking at ICE cars the same can be said, powertrain has nothing to do with it.

So, wanna come back with some actual info?
 
Journey said:
I don't think the BS/other has stated a standard that forces any such thing, and that a PEI just needs to ensure an EESS or similar e.g. PV, be capable of either, a full island mode or disconnect within the current regulations set at ~20ms, and that the also posses the ability to pass G100 or equivalent for export.

For all intents an purposes a you will have people who have never dreamed of home PV/battery storage, so no current equipment, having their first charger a bi-directional charger installed, and at that point the options will likely be offered the option of having it configured either way, the same as you have now when you opt to do a solar install.
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Right. But wrong when it comes to most solar installs.
I would say probably 95%+ of people getting solar installed think they work during a power cut until told they will not, generally after they have been installed.

I don't know of a single person offered islanding initially as part of a solar install.
Many inverters don't do it well. Its becoming more popular now with AIOs offering it.
Its a fair chunk of extra cash for most solar installs, you either buy a top end system, or you buy a fairly expensive option. Neither of which is the default quoting position for installers which is cheap as possible. Bar possibly artisan who seem to be as expensive as possible.

The standard says that anything that can output more than around 1kw (I think the standard says 4 amps from memory) to the grid MUST switch off or isolate itself automatically when it can no longer detect the grid voltage.

I'm not saying some people won't get the option to fully island, but I think most people won't bother as most peoples comments in regards getting whole house EPS is "how often do you get power cuts".
Unless, which is possible, the standards require it, its doubtful but its possible.

Anyway probably getting too off topic. Just think if people are going to mention anything in regards to V2H being useable in power cuts it should be properly noted that it will require additional works.
 
So after scrapping the idea of the Cupra Born, I was offered an ID.7 for roughly the same money as the Cupra with the upgraded paint.


£408 a month with 1k down, 12000 miles over 2 years with full maintenance.


I’ve put in the application for it and should hear back soon :-)
 
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MrRockliffe said:
So after scrapping the idea of the Cupra Born, I was offered an ID.7 for roughly the same money as the Cupra with the upgraded paint.

£408 a month with 1k down, 12000 miles over 2 years with full maintenance.

I’ve put in the application for it and should hear back soon :-)
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Wait what? You said your Born lease deal was £330 or so a month with£1k down and 12000 miles… that’s quite the difference and how you class that as “roughly the same” as £408 per month is a bit man maths. :D

Yep here it is.

MrRockliffe said:
The Born deal I was looking at was £337 a month with 1k upfront so much cheaper than anything else I could find for 12k miles and 2 years.

The MG4 is £375 but hideous and range isn’t enough :)
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But hey, you do get a lot more car for a lot more… er I mean about the same money. ;)

Either way, good luck with it.
 
ICDP said:
Wait what? You said your Born lease deal was £330 or so a month with£1k down and 12000 miles… that’s quite the difference and how you class that as “roughly the same” as £408 per month is a bit man maths. :D

Yep here it is.



But hey, you do get a lot more car for a lot more… er I mean about the same money. ;)

Either way, good luck with it.
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£337 upfront with standard paint. They sold through that, and the upgraded paint added £25 a month at £360 ish

Hence:

MrRockliffe said:
Cupra with the upgraded paint
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Maintenance is £40 on top so it was £400 with maintenance.


ID.7 is 367 without maintenance.



So roughly same price. Not particularly difficult if you read my original post.
 
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