EV general discussion

panthro said:
I bought an eTron 55 S Line sportback today. I've not intentionally been looking to switch to electric but the current offer from Audi and the low PCP prices made me do it. 70 plate in glacier white with sound and comfort packs. 2.5k down and £360 a month over 24 months. Will probably pick it up at the end of the week.
Hoping this will fit into my lifestyle as most of my journeys are short, with a weekly trip to central London. The only long journeys planned are an annual holiday to Europe, but the network is so good over there I'm not worried.
Will hand the car back at the end because the GFV is ridiculous. The car is £36k with a GFV OF 31k.
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How are you finding it?

I'm looking at buying a 3-4 year old etron 55. They seem like a real bargain.
 
They are great cars and good for about 200 motorway miles but they charge incredibly quickly. Mine was like Zen on wheels and super practical for up to 5 people. Obviously very big though.

I was getting 250 miles combined driving out of a 2020 E-Tron 55 with the 92kWh pack.
 
ICDP said:
They are great cars and good for about 200 motorway miles but they charge incredibly quickly. Mine was like Zen on wheels and super practical for up to 5 people. Obviously very big though.

I was getting 250 miles combined driving out of a 2020 E-Tron 55 with the 92kWh pack.
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Isn’t that less than 3miles/kwh? That’s not a good efficiency figure.
 
pc-guy said:
Doesn’t that make it worse economy than driving ICE car if you are charging at cap rate?
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Might be, don’t really care because nobody pays top rate for all their charging. Also anyone buying an E-Tron or large SUV aren’t doing so “cus economy”. Same for ICE or EVS.

Do you find it odd that people will happily pay £40k - £50k plus for an EV, then get all upset that their electric bill is an extra £100 a year because it’s not as efficient as a Tesla. Not saying you do this, your questions are valid. I’m just asking in general.

In fact from next year the may be paying close to £600 a year just for their VED tax.
 
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dlockers said:
Possibly but most sensible ev owners are charging on dirt cheap night tariffs.
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Yup my Etron drops to 2miles/kWH in the winter but it's hard to care at 7p kWH.

10,000 miles a year is 5000kWH which at 7p per kWH that costs £350 a year unless I'm being really thick.

If you're rapid charging the cost is stupid (10x the price) but I only do that a couple of times a year so the cost isn't a problem.
 
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It’s the same with my I-Pace. It costs about £500 at 15p per kWh per year here in N. Ireland. Once in a while I use higher rate public chargers such as hotel or rapids. That costs maybe £30 per year. In contrast a petrol could cost about £1000 more per year to run. A more efficient EV saves about £100 - £150 per year. Basically even at £150 per year I’m not picking an IMHO inferior car for the savings.
 
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pc-guy said:
Isn’t that less than 3miles/kwh? That’s not a good efficiency figure.
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whilst this is true it's not really a surprise.

it's a massive performance SUV..... it's a bit like you wouldn't get a performance range rover and expect 50mpg

of course that does not certain media sources having massive double standards and using it as a stick to beat the car with whilst championing cars with under 30mpg

efficiency wise it's still better than an ICE car

so far since early December last year I am averaging 3kwh/m in my ipace (also one of the least efficient EVs)... i have noticed my energy use increasing on my commute now however so I am expecting it to drop a little now, but I should manage 2.9 average for the year.

but I have only publicly charged it once in that time. all the rest was at 7p kwh
 
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Simon said:
What do you drive ?
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I drive Enyaq, but I don’t believe ignoring efficiency of an EV is a valid argument here.

People like me moved away from ICE cos it is cheap to run and offsets the higher capital cost.

But if the car is running marginally more efficient than an ICE that’s hardly the argument for mass adoption especially there is 0 incentives in UK for adoption. As of next April, EVs will incur VED as well and loss of ZEV exemption in Congestion charge zone. So in any more sticks being applied to EVs in all fairness.

With manufacturers putting out EVs that is heavy and inefficient, hardly screams value proposition.
 
pc-guy said:
I drive Enyaq, but I don’t believe ignoring efficiency of an EV is a valid argument here.

People like me moved away from ICE cos it is cheap to run and offsets the higher capital cost.

But if the car is running marginally more efficient than an ICE that’s hardly the argument for mass adoption especially there is 0 incentives in UK for adoption. As of next April, EVs will incur VED as well and loss of ZEV exemption in Congestion charge zone. So in any more sticks being applied to EVs in all fairness.

With manufacturers putting out EVs that is heavy and inefficient, hardly screams value proposition.
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Running a car on electricity is SO much cheaper though which makes the efficiency less relevant from a pence per mile point of view.

I've been looking into PHEVs pending a potential company car change, so we are talking 2.9 m/kWh best case scenario, and there are still massive savings to be had... Even if I stay on a single rate tariff (Octopus Tracker) and add a max of 35 miles of charge per day.
 
I used to drive a Supra with 17mpg and that did not stop me from driving that with a lead foot, would EV efficiently or MPkw bothers me? I would not think so. I drive a Ampera now and love it.
 
pc-guy said:
I drive Enyaq, but I don’t believe ignoring efficiency of an EV is a valid argument here.

People like me moved away from ICE cos it is cheap to run and offsets the higher capital cost.

But if the car is running marginally more efficient than an ICE that’s hardly the argument for mass adoption especially there is 0 incentives in UK for adoption. As of next April, EVs will incur VED as well and loss of ZEV exemption in Congestion charge zone. So in any more sticks being applied to EVs in all fairness.

With manufacturers putting out EVs that is heavy and inefficient, hardly screams value proposition.
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It isn’t. Just in that context of running costs vs a ICE it’s hardly a big deal if 3m/kWh vs 4 is it.
 
pc-guy said:
I drive Enyaq, but I don’t believe ignoring efficiency of an EV is a valid argument here.

People like me moved away from ICE cos it is cheap to run and offsets the higher capital cost.

But if the car is running marginally more efficient than an ICE that’s hardly the argument for mass adoption especially there is 0 incentives in UK for adoption. As of next April, EVs will incur VED as well and loss of ZEV exemption in Congestion charge zone. So in any more sticks being applied to EVs in all fairness.

With manufacturers putting out EVs that is heavy and inefficient, hardly screams value proposition.
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Efficiency matters of course, especially if your EV is powered by a fossil fuel sourced grid. But once you go with a green energy tariff this becomes almost moot.

The Enyaq is a nice EV, is your an 80 or a 60?

An Enyaq is about 25% more efficient than an older E-Tron 55 and about 20% more than the newer E-Tron 55.

When you bought your Enyaq did you consider the Model 3? It’s about 20% more efficient than your Enyaq? Or did you meet an arbitrary minimum efficiency and think “good enough”?

If we put those in MPG terms we get

Model 3 ~180 mpg
Enyaq ~ 140 mpg
E-Tron ~ 105 - 115 mpg
I-Pace ~ 115 mpg

None of those figures are remotely close to ICE for inefficiency and nowhere near the level of pollution.
 
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