EV general discussion

[ICDP]

No one is forcing them to have an EV, not anytime soon anyway. I'm pretty sure PHEV's are going to be a thing until 2035, even under the current government. So you are looking at 2050 before those cars are end of life.

Simple problem also comes with a simple solution which is called residents parking spaces. The vast majority of people would pay for a residents parking permit to guarantee a space outside of their house. It doesn't even need to be expensive and can be administered on a cost recovery basis.

If the permit displayed doesn't match the space, the car gets towed and the owner pays for the cost of the tow to get the car back.

Exactly. A lot of these schemes already exist in busy residential areas to prevent non-residents leaving their cars. Most of the ones I know off are not even charged for, just prove your are a resident and they get one per household. It prevents those ******* families who all have a car and think they own the street.

It should also be remembered you don’t need to charge every single night in most EVs. Just once or twice a week.

 

[OspreyO]

No one is forcing them to have an EV, not anytime soon anyway. I'm pretty sure PHEV's are going to be a thing until 2035, even under the current government. So you are looking at 2050 before those cars are end of life.

Simple problem also comes with a simple solution which is called residents parking spaces. The vast majority of people would pay for a residents parking permit to guarantee a space outside of their house. It doesn't even need to be expensive and can be administered on a cost recovery basis.

If the permit displayed doesn't match the space, the car gets towed and the owner pays for the cost of the tow to get the car back.

They might be entitled to park. But not a specific space. It's luck of the draw where you actually park.

A lot of the lamppost chargers I saw in the UK and in the video above are not marked EV only so are often iced. That said there were a decent amount of charging hubs around. You could make it work not having home charging. But why bother. There's no point..

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Simple problem also comes with a simple solution which is called residents parking spaces. The vast majority of people would pay for a residents parking permit to guarantee a space outside of their house. It doesn't even need to be expensive and can be administered on a cost recovery basis.

A typical street close to me, one car takes up two houses and a lot of people have two cars.

The only way I see it working is those who can't have off street parking are given massive discounts at charging stations.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

They might be entitled to park. But not a specific space. It's luck of the draw where you actually park.

Change the scheme and mark specific spaces - problem solved for many streets.

 

[ICDP]

Do they all need to charge at the same time? Do they all rock up to the local petrol station at the same time as well? There are plenty of technological and legislative solutions to “solve” the invented scenario in your head.

Lamp post and fast chargers that charge normal rates for local permit holders. Charging hubs, footpath gullies for those who can park at their own door now and again. Resident parking permits, destination chargers at local supermarkets, gyms, leisure centres, public parks, park and rides, places of work etc.

There are already solutions if the will and need was there.

 

[OspreyO]

Change the scheme and mark specific spaces - problem solved for many streets.

As in the photo there are more cars than physical space. Which is why it's first come first served. What you're suggesting is a physical impossibility in most places.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

As in the photo there are more cars than physical space. Which is why it's first come first served. What you're suggesting is a physical impossibility in most places.

Yes one car takes up two terraced houses and some of these houses have multiple cars.
I wouldn't consider an EV under those conditions.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

@Simon
You haven't linked where I've said people are stupid for not having an EV or have you mistaken me for someone else?
I don't like being accused of stuff where you can plainly see I'm on the side of ICE drivers who don't want to be forced into it.

 

[OspreyO]

96% of UK cars on the road are ICE.

Forced? How are people so insecure by such a tiny % of BEVs.

I'd say I dunno what such people smoking, but we know what they are breathing.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

As in the photo there are more cars than physical space. Which is why it's first come first served. What you're suggesting is a physical impossibility in most places.

Which is why I said many streets not all streets. There is no one size fits all box that works everywhere and a range of options will need to be available.

Given one car takes up more space than is available per property, clearly not everyone can have a car anyway and that will no doubt be some market forces within the property market that account for this. E.g. these houses get a bit cheaper and houses with private charging opportunities get more expensive.

EDIT: we are absolutely miles away from everyone who has private parking being electrified anyway, there is plenty of time to solve most of these problems.

 

[Journey]

I am sure councils will seize the opportunity to use the crowded terrace streets to earn some revenue by making charging bays that you can pay to use, they'll make even more from the wardens patrolling the streets ticketing people in ICE cars blocking them or EV owners who aren't plugged in.

 

[OspreyO]

What is means it's you can't have an allocated space. You end up parking down the road or on another street.

If you can't have allocated spaces you can't charge at the kerb. That's before you get into the issues of crossing a pavement.

EV have to be cheaper or comparable ownership/running costs to ICE to be viable. So either it gets cheaper, or ICE gets too expensive. That is a very long way off for people without home charging. Too long for it to be brought up so frequently.

 

[OspreyO]

I am sure councils will seize the opportunity to use the crowded terrace streets to earn some revenue by making charging bays that you can pay to use, they'll make even more from the wardens patrolling the streets ticketing people in ICE cars blocking them or EV owners who aren't plugged in.

Parking fines have existed for a long time.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

96% of UK cars on the road are ICE.

Forced? How are people so insecure by such a tiny % of BEVs.

I'd say I dunno what such people smoking, but we know what they are breathing.

Have you no idea what the Government are planning in the future, you really don't watch the News?
I'd call that being forced.
You spend too much time smoking if you've missed that one, I'm gobsmacked you don't know what's being forced on you..


Yes, the UK plans to stop selling new internal combustion engine (ICE) cars, including petrol and diesel vehicles, by 2035:

• When the ban will take effect
  The ban will take effect in 2035, which is aligned with the EU and other global markets.
• What the ban includes
  The ban includes new diesel and petrol cars, as well as hybrid vehicles.
• What the ban doesn't include
  The ban doesn't impact existing diesel and petrol car owners, hybrid cars, or people using LPG. These vehicles can still be purchased and sold second hand.
• The goal of the ban
  The ban is intended to reduce the effect of fossil fuel powered driving on climate change and move transport to a more sustainable future.

The UK government's plan to ban new ICE cars was initially set to begin in 2040, but was brought forward to 2030 after criticism that the deadline was not ambitious enough. The Labour government has pledged to reinstate the 2030 ban. However, some in the industry say that Labour's plans to bring forward the ban are unachievable.

 

[OspreyO]

....and the UK has got to 4% on the road and 18% of new car sales in a decade... And you think you'll get the other 82% of new car sales in half that time....

That would be better than Norway in half the time with none of their incentives.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

....and the UK has got to 4% on the road and 18% of new car sales in a decade... And you think you'll get the other 82% of new car sales in half that time....

That would be better than Norway in half the time with none of their incentives.

Are you replying to me?
You make it difficult by not quoting.

 

[Penfold101]

Also, how many people buy brand new cars?

 

[OspreyO]

Also, how many people buy brand new cars?

Around 60k private sales. From 160k total. Afaik.

 

[Penfold101]

Around 60k private sales. From 160k total. Afaik.

To be fair it was more a rhetorical question, but that’s actually an interesting number to know!

At the end of the day it’s at least 2 general elections away so no-one know what on earth will actually happen with it, but EV’s wont get mass adoption without much improved public charging infrastructure. I consider myself lucky I’m in a position where I can run one!

 

[Simon]

Just take the Goldilocks. Why people are obsessed in convincing others is beyond me.

Has a leprechaun ever found gold at end of rainbow and told everyone else.

There’s two view. Get everyone to do it then accept the benefits erode fast. Or keep it quiet and milk it for what it’s worth. But don’t get upset when it goes the other way