I mean if you are going to whinge and moan and offer no solutions, and you want to stick with stupid ridiculous things, lets add the cost of the ~6.5kWh of retail electricity it costs to produce each gallon of fuel supplied at the pumps, and make it clear that it is exactly that causing the price increase. I am sure that people won't mind paying £8 a gallon instead of £6 if EV's are that bad.
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I mean if you are going to whinge and moan and offer no solutions, and you want to stick with stupid ridiculous things, lets add the cost of the ~6.5kWh of retail electricity it costs to produce each gallon of fuel supplied at the pumps, and make it clear that it is exactly that causing the price increase. I am sure that people won't mind paying £8 a gallon instead of £6 if EV's are that bad.
Thank you. My Uncle has a Volvo EX30! I really like them, very Tesla esque styling on the Interior.
Exterior Styling of the Megan’s & EX30 aren’t so dissimilar.
Saw one today actually and in Grey which seems to be common in the EV World, I have only seen EX30’s in Nardo Grey in the flesh come to think of it.
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I take it you don't like evs.Ah yes Norway that made itself rich of selling fossil fuels to the world and which massively subsidises EV's to the point that it's undermining some of the claimed environmental reasons they're pushed for in the first place.
Norway Regrets Its EV Push Because It Made People Dependent On Cars
Norway has been the poster child for the electric vehicle transition. EVs have outpaced gasoline-fueled cars in sales for the past few years, encouraged by generous subsidies and an expansive charging network. However, the country is beginning to realize the combustion versus electric struggle...www.jalopnik.com
and Norway is a country with a very small population vs the UK that generates nearly 90% of its electricity from the one source of 'renewable' energy that's actually worth bothering with in northern latitudes for a high % of a nation's electricity (but only where there is the geography for it which there isn't in the UK) namely hydroelectric.
Electricity production - Norwegian Energy
Norway has the highest share of electricity produced from renewable sources in Europe, and the lowest emissions from the power sector. <br /> <br /> <br />energifaktanorge.no
The UK on the other hand has properly messed itself up with ridiculously intermittent wind and solar power and the remaining gas generation and imports are already barely covering demand with some quite close calls just this year.
And Ethiopia a country with a population around twice that of the UK with a small, fraction of the vehicles that the UK has (around 1.2 million vs over 40 million) most of which are probably still used for local 'taxi' services in the cities, and which is a country which does actually have the state quite heavily subsidise the price of fossil fuels (unlike the repeated nonsensical claims that countries like the UK heavily 'subsidise' fossil fuels based on the ridiculous premise that something being taxed less heavily than someone thinks it should be constitutes a 'subsidy').
And of course, a country with massive hydro potential around 90% of its current demand for electricity and which sits much closer to the equator making solar power a better bet for the rest, especially when the national grid is currently next to non-existent with small private solar and diesel generation making up a lot of the total current capacity.
What compelling examples to base the UK's governments mandated transition to non-fossil fuel vehicles on!
Most things that are beneficial to society that we have done were through regulation
You'd still be in the great smog because people weren't paying out of their own pocket for smokeless wood and coal lol
How did we stop acid rain?
How did we stop damaging the ozone layer?
All through regulations which increased costs initially because people wouldn't pay out of their own pocker to suit themselves because the problem is bigger than any one person
This ignores that the changes made were for substitutions that were almost universally neutral or in fact better than what they replaced (e.g. piped gas to home is a much better source for cooking and heat vs coal).
EV's aren't that for a lot of use cases.
For those that may struggle with reading comprehension for the above line, I am fully aware of and agree with the proposition that EV's may be better for some people in some use cases, but we've got a government trying a one size fits all policy of trying to jam a square peg into a round hole
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You could only believe this if you think climate change isn't real. We aren't doing this because EVs are better but I suspect this is a pointless argument because you're just ignorant and blinkered
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Placed an order for an MG XPower a couple of weeks back, should be here anytime soon. Soon as I have the car I'll be getting EDF to fit the charger for £500 with there EV tariff.
Anyone have experience's with EDF for installs?
I am shocked just how expensive the equipment is to fit, it just looks like a plastic box with a PCB inside? £900 for ones I've been quoted.
Anyone have experience's with EDF for installs?
I am shocked just how expensive the equipment is to fit, it just looks like a plastic box with a PCB inside? £900 for ones I've been quoted.
The problem is the installation and the variable amount of labour/cabling involved as no two installs are the same. I suspect that market has decided that c£700-£900 is the point where installers can consistently make money.
I've had the electrician round and I need about 44 metres of likely 10mm cable outdoors, haven't got the formal quote yet.
I imagine these deals with free/cheap charger installs are going to be a waste of time for me...
Not too sure what to do in terms of a car just yet, I think I'll be guided by what sort of deals are around at the time. I'm thinking about everything from the Model 3, to the ID7 and Polestar 4.
I imagine these deals with free/cheap charger installs are going to be a waste of time for me...
Not too sure what to do in terms of a car just yet, I think I'll be guided by what sort of deals are around at the time. I'm thinking about everything from the Model 3, to the ID7 and Polestar 4.
I've had the electrician round and I need about 44 metres of likely 10mm cable outdoors, haven't got the formal quote yet.
I imagine these deals with free/cheap charger installs are going to be a waste of time for me...
Not too sure what to do in terms of a car just yet, I think I'll be guided by what sort of deals are around at the time. I'm thinking about everything from the Model 3, to the ID7 and Polestar 4.
Well make sure if they are installing that much cable you get something like EVultra, 50m roll is about £400 you'll probably want EV-ULTRA3C710CAT5SWA.
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My fuse board would be right near the charger (I head you cant call them that?
) and the electrics got done 7 years ago so no need to rewire anything. £900 just seems way excessive IMO - But its a mute point as its needed.Does anyone have any figures to note how quickly it pays for its self? If I average 250 miles a month, I bet it would take 5 years to pay off the cost of the over expensive wall box
25 months if you get a 7p per kwh tariff, assuming 4 miles per kwh and if it cost 16p per mile for your ice carMy fuse board would be right near the charger (I head you cant call them that?
Does anyone have any figures to note how quickly it pays for its self? If I average 250 miles a month, I bet it would take 5 years to pay off the cost of the over expensive wall box
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Only have EV with the new work car scheme unfortunately. I think an EV would be best suited anyway, hence the XPower over a long range battery option, id only need to have it plugged in a couple of times a month
I could use the granny charger.
I could use the granny charger.
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Thank you kind sir
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So much nicer to drive and so many advantages - cost is just one of many. I couldn’t imagine going back to an ICE now.
Yes yes. You are comparing to something crap. If you have a proper ice as a reference it’s different. I can see this thread has turned into applicance discussion.
But from a financial perspective it also makes no sense. £1000 charger to save what £500 a year on fuel. Come on spending £30k on a car to lose thousands a year is just bonkers
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Powertrain is totally irrelevant, why get any car if 250 miles is too low for an EV, then why is it ok for another choice?