Don’t see it personally. We are in way way better shape than last year and Israel/Finland will have minor impact longer term imoGas Tracker
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Probably gonna smash through last years record IMHO
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Was gonna say. We haven’t been near 7p all week
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I’ve been thinking about getting one.
I’ve had the petrol Corsa a few times as a hire car and have been really impressed.
The Corsa E can be had for about 13k used which seems really good for something that can do about 200 miles.
Finland investigates suspected sabotage of Baltic-connector gas pipeline
It is still unclear what caused a leak on the Baltic-connector, which is shared with Estonia.www.bbc.co.uk
I read that as "Balti" connector at first... Maybe I should go have some breakfast
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Yeah second hand I could understand assuming it has competitive range, but new I would look elsewhere.
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Its a B Segment little hatch do have to go in with eyes open comparing to other stuff.
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Problem is, we can get a 64kWh "normal" unit next month. But the xpowers don't have a date yet, the dealers are saying they should be here this year or early next year. There is a current $7k government rebate on at the moment with our current goons in wellington, but our election is on today and National (who look like they are going to get in) said they are going to scrap it. It would tear my nighty if i missed out on the $7k.I would highly recommend test driving both (for an extended time if possible) before deciding, especially if you are unsure which one you would actually want.
My wife did briefly toy with the idea of the extended range Trophy (same price as XPower & has ~240PS vs the ~201PS of the normal Trophy) but ultimately she really wanted the Xpower variant specifically for its extra power.
The XPower drives like a firmer version of the Trophy and is generally rear power bias on <50% throttle (unless power is set to Sport) so day to day will feel basically the same as the Trophy. The fun really starts to happen in either full Sport mode or over 50% throttle in Normal mode... There is a notable audible change as both motors spin up and fire you down the road with reckless abandon.
Back to back the Xpower feels a little more planted when you start to throw it around but the difference isn't night and day. It is certainly no Fiesta ST in this regard but does feel quite similar to a Golf R or S3 (We have owned both a MK7 R and a 8V S3 for reference). Only thing missing is the engine note but for me at least I prefer the (relative) silence.
Efficiency wise the XPower is a little worse than the Trophy, hence the lower WLTP range total but in practice so far we are achieving over 4mile/kWh on our commutes. Thus the range of ~239 miles is pretty much bang on. At a guess the normal Trophy would likely net around 260-270 in the same conditions / commute profile.
Ultimately it just depends on what you want. Only thing I would say though is that you can match the "feel" of the normal Trophy in the Xpower, but you can't match the acceleration of the Xpower in the Trophy.
The UK government can't tell it's rear end from its elbow so there is no way mileage based road pricing is happening any time soon.
That prediction remains in place if/when Labour get in as well.
Yup, I still maintain that the easiest and simplest solution is just a direct tax on vehicle ownership (aka increasing VED).
If your goal is to raise revenue, net zero and pushing people towards public transport, disincentivising vehicle ownership in the first place is the way to go. It will also help clean up the streets of the millions of cars that hardly go anywhere.
Running costs of BEVs are already negligible in the grand scheme of their total cost of ownership, a milage tax may push that from negligible to an inconvenience or a mild consideration.
Getting an annual VED bill which starts at £400-£500 and ranges up to £1500-£2000 will certainly make you think twice as to whether you need that car or not. The lower of the range bing for a small hatch and the upper for your gargantuan SUV. Perhaps higher for your Gucci belt wearing Lambo owners.
If your goal is to raise revenue, net zero and pushing people towards public transport, disincentivising vehicle ownership in the first place is the way to go. It will also help clean up the streets of the millions of cars that hardly go anywhere.
Running costs of BEVs are already negligible in the grand scheme of their total cost of ownership, a milage tax may push that from negligible to an inconvenience or a mild consideration.
Getting an annual VED bill which starts at £400-£500 and ranges up to £1500-£2000 will certainly make you think twice as to whether you need that car or not. The lower of the range bing for a small hatch and the upper for your gargantuan SUV. Perhaps higher for your Gucci belt wearing Lambo owners.
Disincentivising vehicle ownership is dead in the water without improving the public transport that people are going to need otherwise. Outside of London, public transport is simply not reliable enough to be able to get rid of the car for many people.
Getting an annual VED bill of £500 is just going to push more people to chancing not paying it, plate cloning etc.
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to be honest unless it is on a really good lease deal (why is it rich people get the best deals, the tax breaks and what not on a mates of mine brand new Tesla model Y means he is forking out around £500 a month Inc insurance and all running costs excluding electricity .
am almost certain the car alone will depreciate more than that.
but aside from that I personally would never ever buy a new car. my car is 70k new. 2.5 years old I paid half that.
I don't care how rich I was I could not stomach that percentage of loss
to each their own of course.
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And a milage based tax isn’t? The exact same logic applies.
A £500 VED bill isn’t really any different to what a normal person would pay in in fuel tax to travel average miles in a pretty efficient car.
Fuel costs to drive 8000 miles at an efficient 50mpg (petrol) is now £1126. Half of that is tax.
An efficient EV could be as low as £200 of which about £10 is tax. So add on £500 VED and it seems about spot on. In actual fact it would need to be more like £650 as VED is already £150.
£650/12 = ~£55 per month and could be collected via direct debit using existing processes.
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Yes, but the problem is that's a flat rate - which is exactly the problem with the current system. Someone spewing out tonnes of pollution doing 40k miles up and down the motorway in a "clean" efficient rep mobile pays less than someone doing 100 miles a year in their "dirty" polluting V8. If anything it would encourage people to use their car more - might as well get your money's worth! That extra £55/month would more than double my current running costs, including insurance!
I’m really struggling with this one. What point are you making ? Ved isn’t fuel tax. Ps direct debits for ved aren’t new
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It'll happen, it just won't work properly or fairly as with most policies that get implemented and there will be nothing you can do about it.
little black boxes fitted to cars it'll be automatic, you'll pay for the privilege.
Another thing that won't be fixed
Annual ved bills of 500 are normal now as so many cars fall into the luxury tax band. EVs won't be tax exempt forever, the end goal is for increased tax revenue, we will all pay more and just have to lump it.
Exactly, which shows any claims that VED increases are intended to get people out of the cars to be as hollow as Boris's head
It's about making more money, plain and simple. Fair enough, there is a hole from the drop in VED for ICE cars and fuel duty, but they could at least have the common decency to admit that
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Yes it will be the same rate as a lite diesel, like a car/ute. So $76 per 1000km. Talking about March next year time
I never said there wouldn't be winners and losers, that's life... you are certainly the exception to the norm here.
The massive elephant in the room with a milage based tax is the scale and the cost. Even if it cost as little as £15 to administer per vehicle per year, you are talking about £500 million just to run it. £15 sounds a bit too cheap to me also, I'd expect it would cost more, for context, if it cost £40, you are talking £1.4 billion a year. Set up costs are likely to be £lol.
Bumping up VED adds no additional cost and it is a system that already exists and doesn't require near real time tracking of 35 million cars, privacy and all that. There is also the inevitable leak of all the GPS data down the road. Before anyone says it, using MOT records just isn't going to be a thing. Any kid with a laptop can 'correct' the milage on pretty much every car on sale with relative ease. While that would be illegal, that doesn't stop people doing it and the chances of being caught are near zero.
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with EVs still costing more than ICE cars any new tax added to them not also added to ICE cars is going to completely dissuade anyone from going to an EV. Yes I agree that EV drivers should pay something but they need to be really careful on the costs. buying a new EV over a new ICE needs to make sense , unless the government have completely decided to totally screw it when it comes to their carbon reduction promises.
maybe the green party needs to get in. yes they would probably happily stick £500pa tax on a new EV.... but they would likely then also put £1000pa on a new efficient ICE rising to double that for a diesel range rover
maybe the green party needs to get in. yes they would probably happily stick £500pa tax on a new EV.... but they would likely then also put £1000pa on a new efficient ICE rising to double that for a diesel range rover
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