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He was trolling you.
It's hard for many EV driver to comprehend how deployment of multiple 300kw (or anything close chargers) all over the country (as would be required for the goverments supposed targets) isn't going to happen any time soon because neither the grid nor the power generation is there to support such ambitious aims.
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Interesting last few pages, I already had price parity on my list of things that need to happen before I get an ev. Now I can add add insurance group parity to that list. Wonder when that'll be...
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I’m an EV driver. I don’t find it hard to comprehend.
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I was surprised how many 350kw sites there were already up and running travelling up the A1 to Scotland. Plenty to chose from and not just at the services (Starbucks/Ionity pairing was the best). Can still see this being an issue at peak times but for the EV owner that does the occasional long trip charging wasn't much of an issue at all.
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Ev's are currently a disaster outside of the 'premium' market.
Let's say you wanted to buy a new 'cheap' small run around. In years gone by you could have bought a basic Fiesta or Corsa etc.
Now the price of them has gone up horribly, in large part because of all the extra stuff the goverment has mandated must be on them waiting to fail expensively down the road.....
But soon if you go EV you are only left with even more expensive options new or some old Leaf or similair often with an appalling range, especially in the cold.
Yes the EV's may have higher standards of equipment that the much cheaper ICE equipments but that's only because the EV is so much more expensive to start with and the manufactures know it would be an embarrassing sell to try and palm of a low spec but still rather expensive EV onto customers.
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I was surprised how many 350kw sites there were already up and running travelling up the A1 to Scotland. Plenty to chose from and not just at the services (Starbucks/Ionity pairing was the best). Can still see this being an issue at peak times but for the EV owner that does the occasional long trip charging wasn't much of an issue at all.
EV charging has already **** the bed when it comes to motorway charging.
It's not just the extent of the coverage but the amount of chargers needed for the amount of EV's coming.
That’s my feeling as well. You often see loads of cars from the 90s/00s still going around.
I can’t help but suspect that many newer ICE cars are now so loaded with tech/gadgets/emissions/safety kit that they’ll quickly become uneconomical to repair once they reach a similar age.
On the plus side I think that EV’s should be relatively reliable in their old age so long as the battery/motor are ok.
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I'm in a 2016 petrol astra now, top spec, nice car I'm perfectly happy with it.
I got it for £15k 1 year old. With inflation I wouldn't be surprised to be spending £20k now for the same thing, or even £25k for the ev version, but...
Recently, I saw reviews for the ev astra have finally appeared, and they want £40k for it.
No idea what the insurance would be on it.
The astra was meant to be my "one more petrol car" car before getting an ev, but it's looking like I'll have to do "one more petrol car" again.
I got it for £15k 1 year old. With inflation I wouldn't be surprised to be spending £20k now for the same thing, or even £25k for the ev version, but...
Recently, I saw reviews for the ev astra have finally appeared, and they want £40k for it.
No idea what the insurance would be on it.
The astra was meant to be my "one more petrol car" car before getting an ev, but it's looking like I'll have to do "one more petrol car" again.
With the risk of pulling the thread back on topic from the super existing talk of Insurance groupings, price comparisons and hypothetical breakdown scenarios, I thought I would jump in and post about something even more exciting, economy testing in the model 3, try to stay awake now... 
Decided to test out how efficient my SR+ Model 3 can we when I actually try and drive it efficiently, not hypermiling it but just generally being a bit more gentle on the throttle and switching off the climate when its already spot on temp wise in the car (then switching it back on during the drive as needed). Given the outside temperature, road condition and traffic volume (see exciting stuff..), I normally achieve around 185-210 Wh/mi with approx 6-7.5% usage when looking at the Efficiency app in the car.
Yesterday on the trip home I managed a little better..
At one point I hit a new low of 145Wh/mi and then my arch nemesis, a hill, rose into view and squashed any hope of dropping any lower. The pain and suffering of watching 37% drop to 36% on the battery gauge had me wondering it I would make it the 7 miles home.. I did, thankfully but it was touch and go with the battery now at 34%...
Overall for the day I was at around 13% consumed vs a more normal 15-16%.
No real purpose to this other than a general curiosity around possible efficiency given I have now done approximately the same mileage in the Model 3 as I did in the previous Kona (~8,500 each). I still miss the adaptive regen paddles but that's about it.
I then jumped in the X Power this morning and achieved a less than impressive 3.8m/kWH although that may have more to do with the, lets say, less gentle use of the throttle...
Now back to the previously scheduled programming..
Decided to test out how efficient my SR+ Model 3 can we when I actually try and drive it efficiently, not hypermiling it but just generally being a bit more gentle on the throttle and switching off the climate when its already spot on temp wise in the car (then switching it back on during the drive as needed). Given the outside temperature, road condition and traffic volume (see exciting stuff..), I normally achieve around 185-210 Wh/mi with approx 6-7.5% usage when looking at the Efficiency app in the car.
Yesterday on the trip home I managed a little better..
At one point I hit a new low of 145Wh/mi and then my arch nemesis, a hill, rose into view and squashed any hope of dropping any lower. The pain and suffering of watching 37% drop to 36% on the battery gauge had me wondering it I would make it the 7 miles home.. I did, thankfully but it was touch and go with the battery now at 34%...
Overall for the day I was at around 13% consumed vs a more normal 15-16%.
No real purpose to this other than a general curiosity around possible efficiency given I have now done approximately the same mileage in the Model 3 as I did in the previous Kona (~8,500 each). I still miss the adaptive regen paddles but that's about it.
I then jumped in the X Power this morning and achieved a less than impressive 3.8m/kWH although that may have more to do with the, lets say, less gentle use of the throttle...
Now back to the previously scheduled programming..
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You are literally making it up as you go along now because power companies have stated there is more than enough capacity, and that includes rapid chargers. You should also consider most EVs wont even accept, or need 300kWh charging and are more than capable of delivering very quick charging at 100kWh - 150kWh chargers, which are very, very common now.
Don't take my word for it, take the actual National Grid's word.
Busting the myths and misconceptions about electric vehicles | National Grid Group
Can the electricity grid cope with more EVs? And what really happens to old EV batteries? Find out the answer to these and many more questions about electric vehicles in our comprehensive EV myth-buster.
Are you sure?
UK electricity consumption 2022 | Statista
The annual electricity consumption in the UK has declined over the past decades and amounted to 275 terawatt-hours in 2022.
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When I get home I'll post a list from the 70's till now which also includes the capacity we have.
I was surprised how many 350kw sites there were already up and running travelling up the A1 to Scotland. Plenty to chose from and not just at the services (Starbucks/Ionity pairing was the best). Can still see this being an issue at peak times but for the EV owner that does the occasional long trip charging wasn't much of an issue at all.
I was going to post the same thing. It should also be noted that 350kWh is overkill for the majority of newish BEVs that will max out at 150kWh and still give about 100 miles extra range in 10 - 15 minutes. Or close to 200 miles in 30 - 40 minutes.
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Yup that was my take on it. 150kW gets you upto nearly full in the typical amount of time I want to stretch my legs/eat. Charging any faster would mean having to go disconnect/move the car early.
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With the risk of pulling the thread back on topic from the super existing talk of Insurance groupings, price comparisons and hypothetical breakdown scenarios, I thought I would jump in and post about something even more exciting, economy testing in the model 3, try to stay awake now...
Yesterday on the trip home I managed a little better..less gentle use of the throttle...
Now back to the previously scheduled programming..
To be fair this isn’t the Tesla model 3 thread…
I think it's easy (for some) to forget that the high speed public charging network doesn't really need to become fully equivalent to today's fuelling station network given that a significant proportion of EVs will be able to home charge or destination charge.
Whilst I don't particularly want an EV just yet, simply because I enjoy driving ICE cars, for my current use profile, it would be pretty rare that i'd need to charge during journeys - probably only doing airport runs etc. so it would be a handful of times a year.
Whilst I don't particularly want an EV just yet, simply because I enjoy driving ICE cars, for my current use profile, it would be pretty rare that i'd need to charge during journeys - probably only doing airport runs etc. so it would be a handful of times a year.
To be fair this isn’t the Tesla model 3 thread…
That is fair but, c'mon a little tea break from the recent titivating discussion was needed (I also forgot there was even a Tesla thread....)
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It’s ok. I’ll do my euro road trip from summer one day here ha
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it is doable .. I must admit having a complete sh..show of a government does not help. in 2020 Sunaks promised 1 billion quid to help the grid get infrastructure better prepared by years end. so far not a penny of that fund is given out and surprise surprise it has been delayed again to probably after the election. I suspect they will make the promise again to try to get voted in such are the lying shills.
despite that I think the grid will be ok. imo we don't need 350kw chargers everywhere.
I would take 7x100 KW charge points every single time at service stations rather than 2x350kw.
a genuine 100kw charge point gives around 200 miles in 40 minutes , which for the vast majority of people that is fine.
destination charge points is what is really needed and whilst I am certain some here believe the BS that the grid will melt despite people who know better not being concerned........ overnight destination charging off lamposts (when the grid is under least load) and in carparks and what not should be easier to roll out.
I still own an ICE car.
I can tell you 2 indisputable facts of 30 years of owning an ice that is already not the case with my EV.
1) I have never gone to sleep at night and had my ice car gain 200 miles of range whilst on my drive for around £5 for when I woke up
2) I have never had my ICE gain 100 miles of range for absolutely free whilst on my drive on a sunny day whilst I WFH.
on point 2 I admit I don't do it any more , it was proof of concept ... it's cheaper for me to sell my excess electricity to the grid at peak time then charge over night..... but it does work and can happen again if things change.
obviously not everyone can do that but the level of dishonesty, misrepresentation and out and out lies from some of the anti EV lot is annoying. IE people who in 1 breath claim they only do 1500 miles a year so an EV does not make sense but in the next breath claim they need 350kw charging because of all the long range miles they do.
IF you only single digits long journeys a year then it's no hassle having a wee and a coffee at a service station once every 6 months .... if you do big miles and long range journeys all the time and feel you need regular fast charging then the claim you will never save money because low miles is not relevant.
so which is it?
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That is fair but, c'mon a little tea break from the recent titivating discussion was needed (I also forgot there was even a Tesla thread....)
what was average speed for the pictured 15/89 miles trips, giving the impressive 185-210 Wh/mi you achieve .(doesn't show that by default?)