EV general discussion

[lordrobs]

As a fairly considerate human being I didn't think ICEing charging points could really be that much of a thing.

Yet here I am sat in a Holiday Inn looking out the window at a Ford Ranger parked directly Infront of the BP Pulse station and parked in such a poor way it has effectively rendered the space next to it unusable as well.

It's no wonder on a couple of occasions I've seen a petrol pump EV'd, where an EV parks up Infront of the pump then the driver goes in to the shop

 

[Caracus2k]

An EV can simply be pushed/dragged out the way if you know what you are doing… clearly these people didn’t. RTFM and all that.

Any competent break down company should have been able to deal with that in an hour including traveling there.

Boost the 12v, take the parking brake off and drag it out the way.

The RAC specifically instruct people not to try and move EV's by pushing them....

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Thats cos they dont know what they are doing.

 

[Caracus2k]

Thats cos they dont know what they are doing.

Yes, im sure some randoms on an Internet forum are better informed than one of the leading car recovery companies when it comes to how to safely recover vehicles

/s

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Yes, im sure some randoms on an Internet forum are better informed than one of the leading car recovery companies when it comes to how to safely recover vehicles

/s

The people in the car that have broken down. Not the RAC!

PS. you are a random.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

The RAC specifically instruct people not to try and move EV's by pushing them....

The car in the article has a ‘tow mode’ specifically for it being dragged/pushed a few meters out of the way.

Like I said RTFM, I know the above because I took my own advice.

I’m surprised you didn’t dig out the article on the guy who ran out of charge on one of the multi story car park ramps in Westfield in London trying to get to the chargers there and caused absolute chaos (unlike the one above).

 

[Caracus2k]

The people in the car that have broken down. Not the RAC!

PS. you are a random.

You post came straight after my one about the RAC. And if the people at the site of the Tesla breakdown had followed the RAC's advice they would nor have even tried to move the car.

What should I do if my electric vehicle breaks down?​

First of all, make sure you’re safe. You should never try to push or move your electric car.

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[Chris Wilson]

If someone plugs in an EV to a public charging point and goes off to do whatever people do whilst these things slowly charge up, could someone UNplug their car and shove the plug in their own vehicle with it still able to give a charge?

Naive question I'm sure, sorry ...

Do they put EV charging points well away from petrol pumps due to the fire risk or as a sap to the mental health of EV owners by stopping them seeing the ease, speed and infrequency of "recharging" IC powered vehicles?

 

[Jonnycoupe]

The RAC specifically instruct people not to try and move EV's by pushing them....

Does that help?

I wonder who the RAC talk to in the car companies anyway.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

If someone plugs in an EV to a public charging point and goes off to do whatever people do whilst these things slowly charge up, could someone UNplug their car and shove the plug in their own vehicle with it still able to give a charge?

Naive question I'm sure, sorry ...

Do they put EV charging points well away from petrol pumps due to the fire risk or as a sap to the mental health of EV owners by stopping them seeing the ease, speed and infrequency of "recharging" IC powered vehicles?

Most are locked, BMW i3 tend to unlock at 100%

MEB you can chose to unlock at a certain % to allow this.

In most cases when its plugged in its on the person with the keys who can remove it.

 

[ICDP]

ICE actually costs less when you factor in insurance costs and depreciation but you just totally ignore that. There is more to running a car than simple fuel costs.

The price parity is getting there finally from a quick glance on my local used car sites (N. Ireland). The cost of a charger would be about £600 - £800 from checking around the net. So the difference in cost for an ICE vs Electric in the same make, model and spec is £2,000 - £2500. This is for a used smallish family car 5 door Corsa, 2 years old and less than 20,000 miles. The Corsa E will give about 220 miles combined in mild weather and about 180 in winter.

Insurance costs are going up for ICE as well as EV, so the difference for insurance on a Corsa would not be substantial and would be more than offset by the lower road tax, fuel costs and servicing costs.

Estimated annual cost savings (using my local fuel costs and EV Tariff) would be about £1000+ per year at 8,000 PA assuming home charging. So you will easily make up any initial outlay in two to 3 years.

Corsa Elite Nav Premium
Type	Insurance	Year	Miles	Cost	VED per Year	Service Interval	Fuel Costs (~8k miles PA)	Perf
Petrol	17E	Jun-21​	17925​	£13,495​	£180	Every year	£ 1,200	9.3​
Electric	25E	Oct-21​	18276​	£14,950​	£0	2 yearly after 1st year	£350	7.6​

 

[Caracus2k]

Does that help?

I wonder who the RAC talk to in the car companies anyway.

There no such warning in their general breakdown instruction, because moving an ICE car (where safe in the road conditions) doesn't have the same issues as can be present with an EV does that help....

What to do if your car breaks down | RAC Drive

A step-by-step guide on what to do when you break down on any kind of road. Tip for staying safe on motorways, smart motorways, rural roads and more.

www.rac.co.uk

 

[Simon]

My MEB I just put in N and push it. Not that I’ve needed to yet.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

If someone plugs in an EV to a public charging point and goes off to do whatever people do whilst these things slowly charge up, could someone UNplug their car and shove the plug in their own vehicle with it still able to give a charge?

Naive question I'm sure, sorry ...

Do they put EV charging points well away from petrol pumps due to the fire risk or as a sap to the mental health of EV owners by stopping them seeing the ease, speed and infrequency of "recharging" IC powered vehicles?

A: 'Slowly charging up'? I think you're a few years behind the curve. The newer chargers are incredibly fast, it's hard to comprehend how much power a 300kw charger is delivering into a car.

B: No, they lock into the car. The fast chargers, you have to log into the charger to stop it. The slower chargers, the socket in your car controls the lock.

C: Most petrol stations near me now have big charge hubs next to their forecourts (MFG have invested heavily around here). It is a bit depressing having to charge near to the smelly, dirty ICE pumps, but it is convenient.

 

[Caracus2k]

Insurance costs are going up for ICE as well as EV, so the difference for insurance on a Corsa would not be substantial and would be more than offset by the lower road tax, fuel costs and servicing costs.

Corsa E insurance group 24-25

ICE Corsa 10- 21

(Parkers)

Yeah and about VED.... the goverment subsided era for EV's is coming to an end and EV drivers, especially the later adopters, better get ready to be paying a lot more

Anyone seen EVs are going to be paying VED from 2025?

The changes are as follows:

• New zero-emission cars registered on or after 1 April 2025 will be liable to pay the lowest first-year rate of VED (which applies to vehicles with CO2 emissions 1 to 50g/km) currently £10 a year.
• From the second year of registration onwards, they will move to the standard rate, currently £180 a year
• Zero emission cars first registered between 1 April 2017 and 31 March 2025 will also pay the standard rate
• The Expensive Car Supplement exemption for electric vehicles is due to end in 2025. New zero emission cars registered on or after 1 April 2025 will therefore be liable for the Expensive Car Supplement. The Expensive Car Supplement currently applies to cars with a list price exceeding £40,000 for five years

 

[ICDP]

My MEB I just put in N and push it. Not that I’ve needed to yet.

Same with my I-Pace and my wife's Volvo C40. In fact they behave exactly the same as every ICE car I have ever owned, neutral, handbrake off, push. As long as you have power to the 12v it should not be an issue. If 12v fails you get a jump start to trickle charge the 12v and this is the same for an EV or an ICE.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

There no such warning in their general breakdown instruction, because moving an ICE car (where safe in the road conditions) doesn't have the same issues as can be present with an EV does that help....

There is no denying you can’t tow an EV for any material distance without lifting the wheels but the same also applies to any car with an automatic transmission.

I’m not sure what you are getting at here…

 

[Hawk Tuah]

You post came straight after my one about the RAC. And if the people at the site of the Tesla breakdown had followed the RAC's advice they would nor have even tried to move the car.

I hear it's still there, waiting to spontaneously combust.

You're right, EVs are a menace to society. Stick with your ICE, they've never caused problems in car parks or blocking roads.

 

[adam cool dude]

The price parity is getting there finally from a quick glance on my local used car sites (N. Ireland). The cost of a charger would be about £600 - £800 from checking around the net. So the difference in cost for an ICE vs Electric in the same make, model and spec is £2,000 - £2500. This is for a used smallish family car 5 door Corsa, 2 years old and less than 20,000 miles. The Corsa E will give about 220 miles combined in mild weather and about 180 in winter.

Insurance costs are going up for ICE as well as EV, so the difference for insurance on a Corsa would not be substantial and would be more than offset by the lower road tax, fuel costs and servicing costs.

Estimated annual cost savings would be about £1000+ per year at 8,000 PA assuming home charging. So you will easily make up any initial outlay in two to 3 years.

Corsa Elite Nav Premium
Type	Insurance	Year	Miles	Cost	VED per Year	Service Interval	Fuel Costs (~8k miles PA)	Perf
Petrol	17E	Jun-21​	17925​	£13,495​	£180	Every year	£ 1,200	9.3​
Electric	25E	Oct-21​	18276​	£14,950​	£0	2 yearly after 1st year	£350	7.6​

I understand that. Although buying both new would put it even further into the ICE's favour by quite some margin. This lies the problem because private sales of EV's are in single digits in terms of percentage and the vast majority are fleet sales. Most people are not stupid and are beginning to see this.

How are you going to flood the market with cheap efficient EV's from a new perspective. I am thinking it will be down to the Chinese really. You are already seeing it with MG's.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

I wonder if we'll see a bit of a spike in pre-2016 EVs. Certainly encourages me to keep mine for the foreseeable future.

I've given mine a 10 year birthday treat this week. Took it to Nissan for it's first ever 'major' service. Some fresh new track rod ends, new tyres, brake fluid and pollen filter changed.

All set for another 10 years of incredibly cheap motoring.