ever feel like a sucker?

[Jono8]

Some of us have a natural position of having "the best" when it comes to gaming rigs but dont it ever make you feel a sucker?. I am no exception to this I must have the best tech, after upgrading to DDR5 mobo, ram and ordering 13th gen i9 then comes the RTX 4090 arriving, just as you install it a thought pops into your head you just know it wont be long before the 4090Ti comes forth to ruin our day but you must keep upgrading like a compulsion.

It is kind of relative. I guess if you have more money than you know what to do with then, it is fine. All these companies know there are silly wealthy people who are always looking for ways to spend their cash.

If you are spending £2k on a gpu and you have a **** house/are renting, a car on its last legs, lots of loans and a mediocre job etc...well then your priorities might not be correct.

 

[chaparral]

Some of us have a natural position of having "the best" when it comes to gaming rigs but dont it ever make you feel a sucker?. I am no exception to this I must have the best tech, after upgrading to DDR5 mobo, ram and ordering 13th gen i9 then comes the RTX 4090 arriving, just as you install it a thought pops into your head you just know it wont be long before the 4090Ti comes forth to ruin our day but you must keep upgrading like a compulsion.

Problem is if people not into highend PC's then it just something else that costs loads of money there into or they have

E.G
My mate spends thousands every year on his boat
My sister spents a good +20k per year on holidays
My sister daughter has 2 horses plus 4 kids and 2 dogs how much do them things cost

 

[Malevolence]

My sister daughter

I know it's a small island, but bloody hell.

 

[mattyprice4004]

I’m listening to a band from 2012 on my 2016 Bose headphones streamed from my 2010 laptop - all transported here in my 2007 car.
My lovely wife is asleep next to me.

The rat race doesn’t matter, people matter.
*might wake up to being crowned soft ******* of 2022 for this post

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Its called marketing and its designed to sell you things you don't really need. And yes I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel it too there are times reading the 4090 thread when I feel like I have to rush out and buy one but then another part of me says wait a minute I don't need this and I can't justify it anyhow. But the force is strong in this one. Er, in everyone.

Its like gold rush fever you have a fervent desire to own one and its just about as rational. Its designed to make you part with your cash and the force has a strong effect on weak minds as obi-wan kenobi Jensen Huang might have said. I'm pretty sure he's been taking lessons from Apple.

 

[Puzzled]

Gave up on pc hardware years ago, too expensive and I rarely game now anyway.

Do developers even make use of the power available from something like a 4090? The average gaming pc spec is likely below that of a PS5 / Series X so does anything really get made to push the latest hardware.

 

[Jono8]

Gave up on pc hardware years ago, too expensive and I rarely game now anyway.

Do developers even make use of the power available from something like a 4090? The average gaming pc spec is likely below that of a PS5 / Series X so does anything really get made to push the latest hardware.

Unfortunately not. If anything I think things might be artificially held back.

99% of games will be built for the power of the latest consoles as well, so that's the sort of graphical level you will get regardless of how powerful a GPU you have. I think the days of a developer like Crytek making something cutting edge just for PC initially are long gone.

 

[Rroff]

I buy what I need, usually manage to get it at a price I'm comfortable, usually, that way I generally don't feel like a sucker. If I needed a 4090 I'd buy a 4090 - currently I'm mostly gaming at 1440p, the odd older game at 4K, so the 3070 is adequate. I'll likely skip the 4000 series unless the 8GB on the 3070 becomes too limiting too soon.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

99% of games will be built for the power of the latest consoles as well, so that's the sort of graphical level you will get regardless of how powerful a GPU you have. I think the days of a developer like Crytek making something cutting edge just for PC initially are long gone

I think these comments are more "feels" than "facts", TBH. The situation is actually a bit more nuanced than that. Console developers regularly code for 1440p 30Hz and that's just not going to fly with PC gamers. Conversely, PCs can run 4k 120+Hz and that just isn't possible with console hardware.

There's a misconception that Nvidia are making prices artificially high for profit, and whilst there is no doubt an element of that going on, in fact maybe even cartel behaviour in the industry, the fact is that the technology required to push 4k 60Hz is very expensive to develop and manufacture. Going beyond 60Hz is resulting in the £2k+ GPU tech that we're seeing now.

Technology is approaching an evolutionary tipping point between what is consumer level and what is niche enthusiast level.

 

[randomshenans]

I'm still on a 1080, 5900X and 64 GB ram for all my browser tabs. I rarely game and mainly use it for video editing and it works perfectly for it, so no need to think about upgrading

 

[glenimp617]

If people are only buying hardware because it's newer, than that is a total waste of money. Nobody cares what cpu or gpu you have.

I can't think of many games which struggle on last gen hardware with the big exception of VR, and no games are struggling at low resolutions of 1080p or 1440p.

Now, those who like PC VR gaming I can totally understand wanting new kit, but the thing is, is that even a 4090 can't play certain VR games at stable fps with decent settings, even with DLSS. There is a youtube reviewer who plays MSFS on a 4090, and even with DLSS he's only getting between 60-70fps. Most headsets are 90 and 120.

If I'm spending the best part of £2k on a gpu, it needs to be a damn site better than a 4090.

I was out of PC gaming for years, prefering consoles. Then I got into sim racing and wanted VR. Spent thousands, and even my rig struggles at times. It's not worth the money.

 

[SPG]

Mental prices,

My aging i5 2500k and a 1080ti plays everything i need really.

Keep thinking of upgrading but the good thing about water cooling is it's a ball ache to take apart so I just can't be bothered. The PC system mojo has long gone.

Would go console but you can't get the games I like to play and not enough time to play them.

 

[potatolord]

I bought a 3060ti during the height of the card famine, as an upgrade from a gtx970. Aside from finally being able to play cyberpunk, it was underwhelming. Graphics are now at a point where I can't see much difference between medium and high. Ultra generally seems to be pointless.

I only moved from a i5 760 cpu two years ago, am currently on a 4690k.

I'm primarily still on pc due to older games. Once support for them, or my interest in them, ceases I will probably call it a day.

 

[adidan]

There's a misconception that Nvidia are making prices artificially high for profit, and whilst there is no doubt an element of that

Sorry, I'm confused, if it's happening it can't be a misconception, surely?

Anyway, Jensen said they would manipulate stock levels but that's pretty much par for the course for companies wanting to maintain a pricing level by limiting supply. That's just business.

It's down to consumers whether they want to play along with it at the end of the day.

Me? I'm taking my ball and going home until the sun shines

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Sorry, I'm confused, if it's happening it can't be a misconception, surely?

Anyway, Jensen said they would manipulate stock levels but that's pretty much par for the course for companies wanting to maintain a pricing level by limiting supply. That's just business.

It's down to consumers whether they want to play along with it at the end of the day.

Me? I'm taking my ball and going home until the sun shines

Yes, you are confused. When I'm saying there's an element of that, I'm saying it's not the only aspect creating price pressure - i.e. if they weren't manipulating the market to some degree then a 4090 still wouldn't cost £400.

The misconception I'm referring to is that some people act like Nvidia are adding £1.5k to the price just because they can.

 

[Raymond Lin]

I bought a 3060ti during the height of the card famine, as an upgrade from a gtx970. Aside from finally being able to play cyberpunk, it was underwhelming. Graphics are now at a point where I can't see much difference between medium and high. Ultra generally seems to be pointless.

I only moved from a i5 760 cpu two years ago, am currently on a 4690k.

I'm primarily still on pc due to older games. Once support for them, or my interest in them, ceases I will probably call it a day.

This is why I went to consoles, it put the onus to how well the games are run to the developers. Most of the time they do manage to make it run really well, like flight simulator...i mean the spec to run that on the PC is insane, yet it runs perfectly fine on the Series X, for like 1/4 of the cost. There are however exceptions like when Cyberpunk when it first came out that it just broken on the PS4/XB1, even though i played 120hrs on it.

For the most part, the most part....console gaming, especially now with MS putting a lot of stuff on game pass, makes sense.

To dib my toes into PC gaming, I bought a Steam Deck. is it cutting edge 4k and ultra? no, but the games run fine on it at the settings for that screen just fine. It's also an entire system costing less than a graphic card.

 

[Jono8]

I think these comments are more "feels" than "facts", TBH. The situation is actually a bit more nuanced than that. Console developers regularly code for 1440p 30Hz and that's just not going to fly with PC gamers. Conversely, PCs can run 4k 120+Hz and that just isn't possible with console hardware.

There's a misconception that Nvidia are making prices artificially high for profit, and whilst there is no doubt an element of that going on, in fact maybe even cartel behaviour in the industry, the fact is that the technology required to push 4k 60Hz is very expensive to develop and manufacture. Going beyond 60Hz is resulting in the £2k+ GPU tech that we're seeing now.

Technology is approaching an evolutionary tipping point between what is consumer level and what is niche enthusiast level.

Well, yes, better resolution and framerate is a given, granted. But in terms of actual graphics technology and visuals, virtually no developer goes the extra mile to make the PC version any better.

PC games will be the latest Xbox/Playstation version but able to be run at a higher framerate and resolution and that is pretty much it.

I'm playing more and more on my Series X compared to PC since i got a 4k oled TV (apart from strategy games that you can only get on PC). Everything i have played so far runs very well on my 4k TV on my series X and looks amazing. The costs to get a gpu to play at 4k with some higher framerates than the Series X is now just silly and i guess reserved for only those with **** tons of money.

I used to be a massive PC gaming advocate as i always need a good PC (cpu and ram wise) for other needs. I used to see the cost to game on it therefore just the GPU cost and to get the 2nd to highest tier card a few years ago it would only be about ~£500. Now they want over £1000 a few years later...when you can get a series X for under £400 when ebay have their weekly codes? No, Nvidia and AMD can stick those prices where the sun don't shine.

 

[IvanDobskey]

Only really spend money on my pc setup when I have to these days. In fact it's been a long time since I was obsessed with having the cutting edge. Too much money for too little gain. Also I don't feel there are many games truly deserving of it now.

 

[mrk]

Well I know for a fact that by the time I move onto a 4K equiv screen that is ultra-wide vs the 3440x1440 I have now, I will look to upgrade my 3080 Ti and by then the 4090 will be much cheaper (probably even buy used actually) - Gotta use brain smarts yo.

I have skipped all consoles since the Wii and have been enjoying games with full settings since around 2016 - All without having to buy the top end GFX card or CPU. I don't see that ever changing as there's simply no need to spend full whack for the top models these days where it might have been beneficial back in the day (and prices were much better back then too, you could buy the highest end GFX for under £500 lol although we must remember inflation happens so it sort of evens out anyway).

 

[robgmun]

Still rocking my 2070S, serves me well. I cba with the rat race anymore.

Absolutely, my 3060 is going to have to last me a couple of years at least until I scrap enough money to do a whole new build. And even then it won't be bleeding edge.