Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

[Sankari]

. The Coudenhove-Kalergi European Prize is awarded every two years to Europeans who have excelled in promoting this criminal plan. Among those awarded with such a prize are Angela Merkel and Herman Van Rompuy.

There is no such thing as the 'Coudenhove-Kalergi European Prize.' It does not exist.

There is such a thing as the Charlemagne Prize, of which Coudenhove-Kalergi was the first recipient. The Charlemagne Prize is awarded...

...[F]or the most valuable contribution in the services of Western European understanding and work for the community, and in the services of humanity and world peace. This contribution may be in the field of literary, scientific, economic or political endeavour.

It has no relevance to Coudenhove-Kalergi's pan-European theory.

The sixth recipient of the Charlemagne Prize was Sir Winston Churchill.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Type 2 fatty diabetes

What do you mean by that?

 

[jimjamuk]

I cant actually believe theres a bleeding petition on facebook doing the rounds

Seriously a GE and now someone thinks a Facebook petition is going to stop the Tories forming a government

 

[jjwf]

And we've voted for successive governments, with a veto in their back pocket, who've allowed the scope of the common market to grow to what it is today..

Nobody voted to join the EU, the voted to join a common market, and every single one of those governments should have given the country the chance to vote on it long before we did.

 

[Rroff]

I cant actually believe theres a bleeding petition on facebook doing the rounds

Seriously a GE and now someone thinks a Facebook petition is going to stop the Tories forming a government

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-40119222 BBC seems to think an uprising is in order.

 

[robgmun]

Good news lads, Diane Abbott is back
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40268505

I just looked up the symptoms of diabetes. Surprisingly incompetence isn't one of them.

 

[a1ex2001]

All of the responses to this have not made any sense.



This drum does need to be banged because people do seem to have forgotten Corbyn lost by 55 seats. An election is a one off measurement of opinion, there are no prizes for 'most improved'.



So if Mrs May got even more votes than that, she must have a huge mandate?



Mental gymnastics and completely irrelevant as the US system is completely different.

How can Labour supporters say May is 'clutching at power', when Corbyn is claiming he can be PM with a mandate that (despite the hysteria), is nothing close to what TM has. I repeat, the results of a GE are absolute, not about momentum or most gained or lost.

Yes Scorza posts some waffle, but the rest of you in ivory towers claiming everyone else are trolls, are equally capable of some very narrow and blinkered views

JC is clearly taking the pee and stoaking the fire as any good leader of the opposition should do, he did as you rightly say loose the election but he has the momentum and another election is looking more likely by the day so he is continuing to play the game.

TM's position is untenable her campaign was a disaster and her pretend it didn't happen response is laughable. She turned a working majority and a 20 point lead in the opinion polls into a hung parliament while the Labour Party were having an internal melt down the only thing that saved her from even more embarrassment was the strong campaign fought by someone else in Scotland and the little englanders.

 

[delta0]

JC is clearly taking the pee and stoaking the fire as any good leader of the opposition should do, he did as you rightly say loose the election but he has the momentum and another election is looking more likely by the day so he is continuing to play the game.

TM's position is untenable her campaign was a disaster and her pretend it didn't happen response is laughable. She turned a working majority and a 20 point lead in the opinion polls into a hung parliament while the Labour Party were having an internal melt down the only thing that saved her from even more embarrassment was the strong campaign fought by someone else in Scotland and the little englanders.

If anything an election is looking less likely by the day. After the last couple of days everything seems to have stabilised. The real test will be the Queen's speech.

 

[Amp34]

Wait?! You mean it's virtually irrelevant without a lot more knowledge and background?

Shocking I tell you, shocking!

Ps I'm not a labour supporter

 

[Jono8]

All of the responses to this have not made any sense.



This drum does need to be banged because people do seem to have forgotten Corbyn lost by 55 seats. An election is a one off measurement of opinion, there are no prizes for 'most improved'.



So if Mrs May got even more votes than that, she must have a huge mandate?



Mental gymnastics and completely irrelevant as the US system is completely different.

How can Labour supporters say May is 'clutching at power', when Corbyn is claiming he can be PM with a mandate that (despite the hysteria), is nothing close to what TM has. I repeat, the results of a GE are absolute, not about momentum or most gained or lost.

Yes Scorza posts some waffle, but the rest of you in ivory towers claiming everyone else are trolls, are equally capable of some very narrow and blinkered views

No mental gymnastics at all. I simply stated that based on actual overall votes and the overarching sentiment of the vote, Corbyn is as popular in this country as Trump is in the USA.

 

[dl8860]

I don't agree JC is playing a clever game highlighting his momentum, but I'm just saying (and so were the electorate on June 8th), that he doesn't actually have the power he thinks he does.

Her position isn't untenable. She increased the conservative vote share by 5.5 percentage points, and being a PM is about governing, not campaigning. We can all agree she's a dire campaigner, but with the result we have, she has the mandate and no one else.

 

[SlugForAButt]

What do you mean by that?

Well, she is fat and she has developed type 2 diabetes which is usually lifestyle related. I'm not sure what you want me to explain excpet it looks like a crap poor excuse for being such a waste of space.

EDIT: I'm guessing you know that the explosion of Type 2 Diabetes is obesity related?

 

[stewski]

All of the responses to this have not made any sense.



This drum does need to be banged because people do seem to have forgotten Corbyn lost by 55 seats. An election is a one off measurement of opinion, there are no prizes for 'most improved'.



So if Mrs May got even more votes than that, she must have a huge mandate?



Mental gymnastics and completely irrelevant as the US system is completely different.

How can Labour supporters say May is 'clutching at power', when Corbyn is claiming he can be PM with a mandate that (despite the hysteria), is nothing close to what TM has. I repeat, the results of a GE are absolute, not about momentum or most gained or lost.

Yes Scorza posts some waffle, but the rest of you in ivory towers claiming everyone else are trolls, are equally capable of some very narrow and blinkered views

Scorza isn't the only one posting waffle.

Labour supporters can say May is clutching at power because she is and she needs the DUP to do it.
Frankly she asked for a mandate to continue, she hasn't really got one and only the most rabbid support could pretend we won't be re doing the whole thing again very shortly.

I think the Tories are just trying to see how often they can get the British public in a polling station.

 

[dl8860]

No mental gymnastics at all. I simply stated that based on actual overall votes and the overarching sentiment of the vote, Corbyn is as popular in this country as Trump is in the USA.

Fun fact- Corbyn lost the popular vote by about the same percentage as Trump did.

Therefore overall, the electorate in this country wants Corbyn as PM , just as much as the US electorate wants Trump as president.

Funny old world ay Scorza.

1. Anything post starting 'Fun Fact' and ending 'Funning old world ay' is almost guaranteed to be BS or mental gymnastics.
2. Corbyn votes: 40.0%
Trump vote:s: 46.1%
Just simply not close enough for comparison.
3. 'Overarching sentiment of the vote' Give me a break!

 

[Sankari]

Nobody voted to join the EU

Yes they did. The 1973 referendum took us into the Common Market. The Tories were the strongest supporters of CM membership; Labour was opposed.

The 1975 referendum kept us in the Common Market, which by this time was known as the European Communities, and is now known as the European Union. Again, the Tories pushed hard for this, while Labour was against it.

Thatcher was the loudest advocate of joining the Common Market and remaining in the European Communities.

 

[stewski]

1. Anything post starting 'Fun Fact' and ending 'Funning old world ay' is almost guaranteed to be BS or mental gymnastics.
2. Corbyn votes: 40.0%
Trump vote:s: 46.1%
Just simply not close enough for comparison.
3. 'Overarching sentiment of the vote' Give me a break!

Lost the popular vote <> overall vote share.

 

[a1ex2001]

I don't agree JC is playing a clever game highlighting his momentum, but I'm just saying (and so were the electorate on June 8th), that he doesn't actually have the power he thinks he does.

Her position isn't untenable. She increased the conservative vote share by 5.5 percentage points, and being a PM is about governing, not campaigning. We can all agree she's a dire campaigner, but with the result we have, she has the mandate and no one else.

Can't agree with that vite share isn't the measure it's bums on seats and those are down. She is jumping straight into bed wth the dodgy DUP but doesn't seem able to get the on side as easily as she hoped and mist importantly she seems to have totally missed the fact she screwed up the election and seems to think that things will go on unchanged.

She can't campaign, she can't lead and she is totally out of touch we will have another election and a new conservative leader well before this parliament is up.

I'm not a JC fan, supporter or voter but right now his stock his high while TM is running around pretending she doesn't notice the limo or the kick me sign on her back.

 

[Rroff]

Scorza isn't the only one posting waffle.

Labour supporters can say May is clutching at power because she is and she needs the DUP to do it.
Frankly she asked for a mandate to continue, she hasn't really got one and only the most rabbid support could pretend we won't be re doing the whole thing again very shortly.

I think the Tories are just trying to see how often they can get the British public in a polling station.

Problem is if Corbyn does somehow replace May - even with a broad coalition he lacks the votes for any kind of cohesive progress in parliament - its going to descend into a mess of sniping, backroom deals and underhand alliances to get anything done at all.

EDIT: Not that May is really in any better position.

 

[The_Abyss]

Nobody voted to join the EU, the voted to join a common market, and every single one of those governments should have given the country the chance to vote on it long before we did.

Well, there was little demand for a referendum on any of the various treaties that got us to this point, and we voted for the respective governments and gave them a mandate to allow them to get us to this point, so the nation has plenty of opportunity.

So yes, we did vote to join the EU. Much as we voted to go to war in Iraq, allow additional billions of tax to be taken from our pension funds, put the NHS in the position it is in today, promote diesel cars as environmental salvation and ban fox hunting.

That's the way our democracy works.

 

[Jono8]

1. Anything post starting 'Fun Fact' and ending 'Funning old world ay' is almost guaranteed to be BS or mental gymnastics.
2. Corbyn votes: 40.0%
Trump vote:s: 46.1%
Just simply not close enough for comparison.
3. 'Overarching sentiment of the vote' Give me a break!

My post was in reply to one where Scorza was struggling to see why Corybn thinks this election was a success . I thought pointing out that Corbyn lost out to May by a few percent in the popular vote( just like Trump did against Hilary) might help him.

Corbyn is seemingly as popular in this country as Trump is in America .