Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

Exit poll: Who did you vote for?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 302 27.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 577 52.6%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 104 9.5%

  • Green

    Votes: 13 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 19 1.7%

  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 30 2.7%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 6 0.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 46 4.2%
  • Total voters
    1,097
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Efour said:
It's local government that are to blame I'm sure.
I had a journalist friend who knew people that knew people and in the London borough where we lived there was no end of semi dodgy, rule bending, backhand dealings every month.
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Pretty widespread across the entirity of England then.

Interestingly Scotland has different building regulations that were put in a place after a fire in 1999 that banned cladding on high rises.
 
Fubsy said:
So the amendments to the Queens speech.... Corbyn has played an absolute political blinder. Tories vote to end pay freezes on public sector works = Governmnt signing to Jezza's tune, Tories vote down amendments = Tories are nasty, spending money that doesn't exist on DUP and NI and the MMT does "exist". The Tories now look awful either way and backed up into a corner.
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Agreed. He's starting to look more like a politician.

Twas a big issue for a lot of would be Labour voters. Whatever we might say about Blair, there where times when he'd have ripped May's spine out during the lead up to the election.
 
It's clearly a big issue for a lot of Tory voters as well, they can't be happy right now that emergency services are told they great and all, but here's a tiny 1% increase...

This DUP deal was never going to be easy for May, it's so blindingly simple to use the money as an attack vector for other policies, she's ruined the next election manifesto for a start.
 
Efour said:
It's local government that are to blame I'm sure.
I had a journalist friend who knew people that knew people and in the London borough where we lived there was no end of semi dodgy, rule bending, backhand dealings every month.
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In 1999 there was a fire in S Ayrshire tower block where one person died and the cladding was to blame. New Regs brought in since meant no council tower block could have this cladding so in the aftermath of the Grenfell there is no tower blocks needing fixed. This was Scottish Govt action though so maybe it is central Govt responsibility.
 
One thing is for certain, if no party ever gets that deficit down the national debt will never be repaid, and not even in part. The generation that racked up the bills will never have to pay that back, and that will never sit right with me. Obviously part of that debt is bailouts - and that should be returned through other means/taxes.
 
Fubsy said:
One thing is for certain, if no party ever gets that deficit down the national debt will never be repaid, and not even in part. The generation that racked up the bills will never have to pay that back, and that will never sit right with me. Obviously part of that debt is bailouts - and that should be returned through other means/taxes.
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The debt isnt meant to be paid as soon as possible, just letting GDP growth and inflation do their jobs are much better than any possible surplus.
 
Fubsy said:
One thing is for certain, if no party ever gets that deficit down the national debt will never be repaid, and not even in part. The generation that racked up the bills will never have to pay that back, and that will never sit right with me. Obviously part of that debt is bailouts - and that should be returned through other means/taxes.
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The national debt started centuries ago with funding for wars, indeed the reason the bank of England was set up was to get money for wars. The main loading of the National debt was the first and second world war. Recently it was the Crash although the one before added to it. There has been no

generation that racked up the bills
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it is an ongoing process. Inflation bites into it and reduces it but it marches on. It was only in 2000 that we finally paid back the US money given after the war. So your generation is paying back the previous generations debt just like your father/grandfather and your sons and daughters.
 
dalehitchy1 said:
Did anyone see this video
https://mobile.twitter.com/VictoriaLIVE/status/879637165482754049/video/1

That guy said what many are thinking at put it across very well
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I feel one of great reasons that the Tories are marginalizing themselves is the seemingly endless ability to deflect, the young in this country aren't stupid enough for this level offence, i imagine the minister has just turned off yet more voters.

I just don't understand why they do it, even though they actively get told to stop...
 
StriderX said:
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do_ron_ron said:
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Issue being that as the debt grows the interest payments grow and eat into our national budget does it not? We can't carry on growing forever can we? At some point we'll hit another recession and the debt will grow again, and even more of the budget is eaten up by interest payments.

I'm not a believer in indefinite growth, eventually something will give.
 
Fubsy said:
Issue being that as the debt grows the interest payments grow and eat into our national budget does it not? We can't carry on growing forever can we? At some point we'll hit another recession and the debt will grow again, and even more of the budget is eaten up by interest payments.

I'm not a believer in indefinite growth, eventually something will give.
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It won't matter then as we'd have bigger issues than IOU's.
 
Fubsy said:
Issue being that as the debt grows the interest payments grow and eat into our national budget does it not? We can't carry on growing forever can we? At some point we'll hit another recession and the debt will grow again, and even more of the budget is eaten up by interest payments.

I'm not a believer in indefinite growth, eventually something will give.
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No doubt that has been said countless times over the past centuries and we are still here. The obvious answer is not to get involved in wars or foreign adventures as they are expensive and leave people needing life long care. As for recessions they come along regularly, less than ten years each time iirc.
 
Gigabit said:
I don't think there is any way the Tories can win the next election now unless they turn into Labour-light.
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Well it is probably going to come down to Brexit, they'll have kicked May out by then, if Davis can deliver something various parts of the press can claim to be a 'good deal' then he could be seen as competent etc.. on the other hand Brexit could turn into a big farce with lots of negative stories surrounding it and the Tories could become unelectable for a few years.... then again if Labour has a massive poll lead and Comrade Corbyn then tries to shift things further to the left he could get a surprise result like the Maybot just had.

That was the really stupid thing for the Tories, aside from the leader being inept at answering questions/debating, they were too complacent re: their massive lead in the polls and so chucked in a load of silly stuff when they could have just played it safe. Even with the Maybot heading the party they might not have had to do deals with the DUP if it wasn't for that manifesto.
 
Martini1991 said:
I don't know why you're essentially reveling in the stagnation of the public sector.

This country makes absolutely no sense.
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Quite. And how ensuring the Conservative resolve to really smash the NHS is front page news somehow represents a failure of the Opposition.

Let's see whoevers the health minister try trotting out the standard Conservative line on the NHS now. About how much "they value the hard working members of staff".
 
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