Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

[n111ck]

The survation poll for the Mail on Sunday

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4614492/Wounded-knees-PM-faces-civil-war.html

The government need to be extremely careful at the moment. Pushing ahead with a hard rexir is only going to get them into more trouble.




A no then?

A vote on the final deal is not the same as another referendum - it would be Brexit deal or WTO - not Brexit deal or no Brexit.

Not sure what you mean by 'a no then'?

 

[n111ck]

People voted for Erdogan that doesn't justify May's Authoritarian position either.
People choosing (or not) to allow corporations to store swaths of data is so irrelevant to this discussion I'm at a loss to describe how silly your position is starting to read!

I'm simply suggesting most people don't care.

 

[stewski]

A vote on the final deal is not the same as another referendum - it would be Brexit deal or WTO - not Brexit deal or no Brexit.

Not sure what you mean by 'a no then'?

Considering the current PM first attempted to push through Article 50 without a parliamentary vote (a disgusting attempt at making horrific precedent) then went to the country explicitly calling for a large majority to allow her the power to Brexit her own way, then failed spectacularly. when you follow that with polls in the right wing press showing mood for a referendum on any deal negotiated by her government, it's hard to deny she needs to be careful, I mean that's the will of the people right there!

 

[garnett]

Which poll?

"And support is rocketing for the idea of a second referendum to be held on whether to accept the terms of the final Brexit deal with the EU.

A total of 53 per cent of those with a view back a vote, while 47 per cent oppose, a margin of six points."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4614492/Wounded-knees-PM-faces-civil-war.html

They've buried at the bottom of the article presumably safe in the knowledge 99.9% of their readership won't get that far.

 

[n111ck]

Considering the current PM first attempted to push through Article 50 without a parliamentary vote (a disgusting attempt at making horrific precedent) then went to the country explicitly calling for a large majority to allow her the power to Brexit her own way, then failed spectacularly. when you follow that with polls in the right wing press showing mood for a referendum on any deal negotiated by her government, it's hard to deny she needs to be careful, I mean that's the will of the people right there!

So effectively you are saying that no deal is potentially better than a bad deal? I'd agree.

 

[stewski]

I'm simply suggesting most people don't care.

Most people don't understand the risk of aggregate data without oversight in the hands of governments that show little care for electoral law, there is a difference between caring and not understanding, frankly your posts are the poster boy example of how ignorant of that risk, some are.

What do you put online that has worth and is at risk from Theresa May?

There's nothing in my bank accounts that I feel the need to hide from the government.

 

[Amp34]

A vote on the final deal is not the same as another referendum - it would be Brexit deal or WTO - not Brexit deal or no Brexit.

Not sure what you mean by 'a no then'?

Or stay in the EU. There's nothing stopping the UK not leaving at all and rescinding A50. That has now been clarified.

If the Conservatives are still in in 2019 and the public mood is still the same as today then the referendum would have to be "Leave and take the deal" or "stay in the EU". Anything else would be political suicide. A referendum on the deal is what most people asking for another vote have been asking for.

Remember that in the same poll most people also believe that a bad deal is better than no deal, and even more people believe we should stay in the customs union. The days of "take the deal or WTO are over, the days of hard Brexit are over (if May wants to stay prime minister/enact "the will of the people"). If we want to do what you have been arguing for since the referendum then it's soft Brexit all the way.

She's currently heading headlong into a battle she will lose (hard), having lost most of her guns in the preceding storm and facing a flotilla that includes a significant number of her own ships. She needs to change course or she's going to be the captain of an abandoned ship, sinking fast.

 

[n111ck]

Or stay in the EU. There's nothing stopping the UK not leaving at all and rescinding A50. That has now been clarified.

If the Conservatives are still in in 2019 and the public mood is still the same as today then the referendum would have to be "Leave and take the deal" or "stay in the EU". Anything else would be political suicide. A referendum on the deal is what most people asking for another vote have been asking for.

Remember that in the same poll most people also believe that a bad deal is better than no deal, and even more people believe we should stay in the customs union. The days of "take the deal or WTO are over, the days of hard Brexit are over (if May wants to stay prime minister/enact "the will of the people"). If we want to do what you have been arguing for since the referendum then it's soft Brexit all the way.

Where does that poll specify that one option would be to rescind article 50?

 

[Vonhelmet]

Or net contributor...

Why do you suppose a net contributor would resent the things or people he is contributing to? You apparently do. Do you think that is the case for all net contributors? Why?

 

[n111ck]

Most people don't understand the risk of aggregate data without oversight in the hands of governments that show little care for electoral law, there is a difference between caring and not understanding, frankly your posts are the poster boy example of how ignorant of that risk, some are.

...and frankly you seem like someone with an embarrassing search history.

 

[stewski]

So effectively you are saying that no deal is potentially better than a bad deal? I'd agree.

In what way did my post suggest that?

Still if you are at it "No deal is...", "Bloody Awkward Woman", "Strong and Stable", "Coalition of Chaos" it's pretty much factual that this sort of simplified guff has reduced a slim majority (at risk of collapse due to investigations by the CPS into Tory electoral Fraud) to a minority government propped up by pretty much the *** end of British Politics and likely doomed to collapse!

 

[n111ck]

Why do you suppose a net contributor would resent the things or people he is contributing to? You apparently do. Do you think that is the case for all net contributors? Why?

I'd rather my tax was spent on something worthwhile than free wifi on trains...

 

[stewski]

...and frankly you seem like someone with an embarrassing search history.

I show concern over a government with the aggregate internet data of its citizens and zero oversight and you keep talking about individual search histories, ignoramus is as ignoramus does!

 

[n111ck]

In what way did my post suggest that?

Still if you are at it "No deal is...", "Bloody Awkward Woman", "Strong and Stable", "Coalition of Chaos" it's pretty much factual that this sort of simplified guff has reduced a slim majority (at risk of collapse due to investigations by the CPS into Tory electoral Fraud) to a minority government propped up by pretty much the *** end of British Politics and likely doomed to collapse!

A poll on the final deal would be Brexit or wto - so a bad Brexit deal would make no deal (wto) better would it not?

 

[n111ck]

I show concern over a government with the aggregate internet data of its citizens and zero oversight and you keep talking about individual search histories, ignoramus is as ignoramus does!

So there's nothing dubious in your search history?

 

[Amp34]

Where does that poll specify that one option would be to rescind article 50?

It doesn't explicitly. Nor does it poll anyone on explicitly leaving with WTO rules either.

What it does say is two thirds of people would rather a bad deal than no deal, and that even more don't want to leave the customs union.

 

[Amp34]

...and frankly you seem like someone with an embarrassing search history.

Honestly I'd probably be embarrassed at the amount of time I spent on here if it ever came out.

 

[stewski]

A poll on the final deal would be Brexit or wto - so a bad Brexit deal would make no deal (wto) better would it not?

Odd you read it only that way, I read it that a poll on costing the nation 100Billion because you are Bloody awkward, could allow the likely majority (48% confirmed minimum already) to over rule idiocy, why don't you see that option too?

 

[Vonhelmet]

I'd rather my tax was spent on something worthwhile than free wifi on trains...

That's a pretty weak response to a question about whether all net contributors resent how their taxes are spent. Is that your only complaint?

 

[n111ck]

It doesn't explicitly. Nor does it poll anyone on explicitly leaving with WTO rules either.

What it does say is two thirds of people would rather a bad deal than no deal, and that even more don't want to leave the customs union.

That poll is meaningless if it doesnt specify what a second vote would entail.

80% of voters voted for parties that support leaving the customs union.