Poll: Exit Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Results discussion and OcUK Exit Poll - Closing 8th July

Exit poll: Who did you vote for?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 302 27.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 577 52.6%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 104 9.5%
  • Green

    Votes: 13 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 19 1.7%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 30 2.7%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 6 0.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 4.2%

  • Total voters
    1,097
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I think it's more a case that they'd rather have the Tories out and have accepted that we're Brexiting regardless of who is in charge. But sure, assume everyone but you is an idiot.

If people are complaining that the party is following their manifesto rather than a position that person made up in their head, then they are an idiot.
 
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So the pressure seems to be mounting for another Theresa U turn, this time on public sector pay. Even from Boris and Gove who very recently voted against getting rid of the 1% cap! So let's look at what tomorrow's papers have to say on the subject: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-40489617

"The Daily Mirror pulls out quotes by Prime Minister Theresa May, in which she has demonstrated gratitude to the emergency services of late. It calls on her to now raise public sector pay above the current 1% cap."

"The Times leads with how ministers are calling for planned tax cuts to be dropped or delayed, so as to fund a rise in public sector pay."

"The Guardian also covers this story, stating that according to a new report, a "decade of public sector salary freezes" has negatively affected the pay packets of teachers and police officers."

But what about the headlines of the right wing triumvirate, the Daily Mail, Sun and Express?

The Daily Mail goes after the NHS with an alleged exclusive about an issue from the 70s and 80s "NHS TAINTED BLOOD SHAME"

The Sun's goes after "bungling court staff" with a story about "a man sentenced to nine years in prison for knife crime was released after nine months because of an error by court staff."

And (my personal favourite) the Daily Express leads with a typical deflection piece about the weather "91F BLAST OF HEAT ON WAY". They've even used Fahrenheit in the headline for their readers that are still fighting against Centigrade, decimalisation etc.
 
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I think it's more a case that they'd rather have the Tories out and have accepted that we're Brexiting regardless of who is in charge. But sure, assume everyone but you is an idiot.

not really, it was in his manifesto, sure he did support the remain campaign (at least on paper) but for most of his career he was pretty eurosceptic, it isn't just people on the right who've been eurosceptic, there are people on the left too.

There is the undemocratic aspect, wanting to get back sovereignty over trade, agricultural policy etc.. i..e from the late Tony Benn - not about nationalistic arguments per say but just sticking to his democratic principles and his belief that the national government and parliament should be controlling those things


there is the anti-free market pro-union/socialist position i..e from Dennis Skinner:


Corbyn seems to take on board a bit of both, see this clip re: him talking about his opposition to the single currency:


I don't think it is too surprising therefore that he had the manifesto pledge that he had and that he's sticking to it and sacking those who rebelled.
 
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So the pressure seems to be mounting for another Theresa U turn, this time on public sector pay. Even from Boris and Gove who very recently voted against getting rid of the 1% cap! So let's look at what tomorrow's papers have to say on the subject: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-40489617

"The Daily Mirror pulls out quotes by Prime Minister Theresa May, in which she has demonstrated gratitude to the emergency services of late. It calls on her to now raise public sector pay above the current 1% cap."

"The Times leads with how ministers are calling for planned tax cuts to be dropped or delayed, so as to fund a rise in public sector pay."

"The Guardian also covers this story, stating that according to a new report, a "decade of public sector salary freezes" has negatively affected the pay packets of teachers and police officers."

But what about the headlines of the right wing triumvirate, the Daily Mail, Sun and Express?

The Daily Mail goes after the NHS with an alleged exclusive about an issue from the 70s and 80s "NHS TAINTED BLOOD SHAME"

The Sun's goes after "bungling court staff" with a story about "a man sentenced to nine years in prison for knife crime was released after nine months because of an error by court staff."

And (my personal favourite) the Daily Express leads with a typical deflection piece about the weather "91F BLAST OF HEAT ON WAY". They've even used Fahrenheit in the headline for their readers that are still fighting against Centigrade, decimalisation etc.
Impressive from the rags. It seems to me that this isn't really General Election news though - is there a "Conservative Minority Government (2017 - ?)" thread?
 
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It was one of the two policies that almost lost the Tories their election, i think i would prefer them to drop it and welcome it rather then having a go at them for not dropping it.

What i worry is that the short-term thinking of the left they would rather make political points on good U-turns and giving the Tories such a hard time about it that the Tories would stop U-turning on the rest of the bad policies to avoid the hassle.
 
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In five years time if they ask Jeremy Cornyn what his greatest achievement is, if wonder if he'll say the Nu Conservatives?:D

It was one of the two policies that almost lost the Tories their election, i think i would prefer them to drop it and welcome it rather then having a go at them for not dropping it.

What i worry is that the short-term thinking of the left they would rather make political points on good U-turns and giving the Tories such a hard time about it that the Tories would stop U-turning on the rest of the bad policies to avoid the hassle.

It was one of their manifesto pledges to stop the meals, when they thought they'd get a landslide. So they've not had a change of heart, it's it's a u-turn in order for them to keep votes. That shows that they are more interested in clinging on to power than they are in sticking to their principles and enacting policies they believe in now they've proved the 'no magic money tree' rubbish is in fact rubbish by giving the DUP a billion pound bribe.
 
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It was one of their manifesto pledges to stop the meals, when they thought they'd get a landslide. So they've not had a change of heart, it's it's a u-turn in order for them to keep votes. That shows that they are more interested in clinging on to power than they are in sticking to their principles and enacting policies they believe in now they've proved the 'no magic money tree' rubbish is in fact rubbish by giving the DUP a billion pound bribe.

Like it or not 1 billion is not a magic money tree, just a leaf. Corbyn polices would have cost dozens of times that...if we were lucky
 
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If it's such a small amount why not give nurses & teachers a pay rise then?

Because they're idiots, i class myself as a conservative with a big C, and i think Nurses, Doctors, Firefighters, Police and the Military should all be raised with "at least" the rate of Inflation. Teachers on the other hand needs a huge shake up to weed out the lefties who try to make our kids dumber out the system than they went in. They need to sign up to some kind of doctrine that they need to stay utterly unbiased. But then the BBC can't even do that.

I also believe tuition fees need to be scrapped for STEM subjects. We need to train more of our own workers in science, engineering and medicine. But if you want to do a "Art" degree or one in gender studies, then cough up.
 
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Because they're idiots, i class myself as a conservative with a big C, and i think Nurses, Doctors, Firefighters, Police and the Military should all be raised with "at least" the rate of Inflation. Teachers on the other hand needs a huge shake up to weed out the lefties who try to make our kids dumber out the system than they went in. They need to sign up to some kind of doctrine that they need to stay utterly unbiased. But then the BBC can't even do that.


Out of curiosity what makes a teacher left wing....and what do they do to children that makes them 'more dumb'?

Some people would argue nowdays that treating a person equally despite the colour of their skin... left wing.
 
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Out of curiosity what makes a teacher left wing....and what do they do to children that makes them 'more dumb'?

Some people would argue nowdays that treating a person equally despite the colour of their skin... left wing.

The fact they don't share opinions?

That whole little rant is ridiculous and the ignorance that's outlined in the thing about teachers en mass making kids dumber through being lefties is laughable and a bit of a paradox.

I wonder who either taught him to know everything or made him so wrong depending on your view of the world....
 
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To be honest I've heard people say universities are left wing institutions that brainwash students.

I don't know what people think students do at universites...they don't hold hands round a campfire...sing kumbyah... And talk to their teachers about what's the latest nasty thing Theresa may and the corporations have done. They just go there to learn about their chosen subject. Not once did any of my teachers talk about politics.... So I don't know why many people think this happens.
 
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“Giving up on sound finances isn't being generous, it's being selfish: spending money today that you may need tomorrow.”

The ******* nerve of Cameron. Whilst spending willy nilly is not the answer, austerity isn't the golden goose we have been repeatedly told it would be. Two Tory PMs in a row playing with fire and screwing up royally for their own gain or party politics - now that's not selfish!
 
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