Expected delivery date for Intel 11th gen CPUs

uscool · 1 Apr 2021 at 13:34

richto said:
No I don't. Couldn't care less about how much power it uses. Would turn it up to 1KW for +5fps.

But in reality it will use circa 200W which is fine on a large AIO cooler.

I factor in the overall package

answer me this, if you had chance to buy either 5900x or i9 11900k and both at the same cost which would you choose ? 5900x murders it in multi workloads yes even if I dont need it I know I have it not costing me more , uses less power than 8 core chip . higher res gaming you can say trades blows and in real life usage in gaming wont notice difference but of course if streaming would for sure prefer 12 cores

Which one is overall the better package ?

Also will remind you the 5800X costs like £150 less

Marian Noga · 1 Apr 2021 at 13:39

humbug said:
Its updated every few hours. i have been watching it, Rocket Lake rarely gets in the top 12 and never on the top row.

It been for sale for a while you know.

Fascinating way to spend your day.

humbug · 1 Apr 2021 at 13:42

You've gone quiet @richto are they over priced or not?

cliffy · 1 Apr 2021 at 13:44

Marian Noga said:
Fascinating way to spend your day.

See that is frustrating, Humbug brings up a counter to your argument using a real source of data that is updated regularly and your response is to have a little dig at him. Just because it disproves what you had stated previously

Journey · 1 Apr 2021 at 13:45

richto said:
None. Someone doesn't understand how this works. 16 CPU lanes for 2 primary PCI-E 4 slots and 4 CPU lanes for the 2 primary PCI-E 4 M.2 slots. Plus additional PCI-E 3 slot and M.2 slots on most motherboards from the Z570 chipset.

And apparently that someone is you.

"4 CPU lanes for the 2 primary PCI-E 4 M.2 slots" - you know that an M.2 drive requires 4x lanes to operate at full speed right?

What is with these, all the gear and no idea people, spamming the forum with nonsense... it's getting silly now.

cliffy · 1 Apr 2021 at 13:53

richto said:
Well, no because they don't show that - they show that the majority of those games are a few percentage points faster on the 11900K. And all the benchmarks so far published also show that the 11900K has highest single threaded performance over any AMD CPU.

According to this review IPC of ZEn3 is at least 10% greater than that of 11900K, which is in line with other reviews seen on youtube

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/intel-core-i9-11900k-processor-review,7.html

Marian Noga · 1 Apr 2021 at 13:59

cliffy said:
See that is frustrating, Humbug brings up a counter to your argument using a real source of data that is updated regularly and your response is to have a little dig at him. Just because it disproves what you had stated previously

the response was just almost too easy not to use it. I am not disagreeing with anything anyone said, i just find it extremely interesting how you argue about apples over oranges.

just watch that amazon listing for another month if you please. just let me know when intel starts selling ok? because it actually might if amd and gpus are still out of stock. eventually 10th gen will sell out.

DeathStorm · 1 Apr 2021 at 14:10

Why is it suddenly so important how well a CPU sells to a bunch of people? :confused:

Marian Noga · 1 Apr 2021 at 14:13

DeathStorm said:
Why is it suddenly so important how well a CPU sells to a bunch of people?

just to remind you this thread has gone completely off topic now.

richto · 1 Apr 2021 at 14:53

Journey said:
And apparently that someone is you.

"4 CPU lanes for the 2 primary PCI-E 4 M.2 slots" - you know that an M.2 drive requires 4x lanes to operate at full speed right?

What is with these, all the gear and no idea people, spamming the forum with nonsense... it's getting silly now.

That's the exact same on most AMD boards too I believe. They don't stop working if you use a GPU though which is what you claimed.

Journey · 1 Apr 2021 at 15:02

richto said:
That's the exact same on most AMD boards too I believe. Yes the ~ 7.9GB / Sec of bandwidth is shared across 2 x M2 slots. They don't stop working if you use a GPU though which is what you claimed.

I didn't claim any thing of the sort, likely quoting the incorrect person.

And you are wrong, the 4x m.2 slot is a single dedicated slot direct to the CPU, it cannot be split at all. You can only take lanes away from the main 16x assignment to the bus, so 8x/4x/4x etc.

philo-sofa · 1 Apr 2021 at 15:15

beberobu said:
philo-sofa said:

I’d buy a 5800X myself. But it’s just a processor core, not membership of the CCP or Nazi party. Nor is rocket lake bulldozer level craptastic, let them enjoy their purchases.

Click to expand...

Except that it have a more power usage is not so bad as results, considering the AMD's top CPU prices are huge these days. As i dont want middle range CPU, i will pay that £50 / year for the power consumption increasing!
I agree Intel is **** in terms of cpu developing / whatsoever
I disagree to be named fool / stupid / blind and so on, repeatetly, just because i wasnt lucky enough to get an AMD's top CPU at his RRP! You been so rude to say it once, ok, "thank" you too! Dont repeat it please!

Ceesa ce ai scris este putin confuz, tind sa cred ca nu ai inteles exact ce am vrut sa scriu, poate din cauza barierei lingvistice. Insa nu pot sa fiu 100% sigur deoarece raspunsul tau a fost putin confuz pentru mine.

(English: What you said is confusing. I suspect you didn't understand what I was saying due to a language barrier. But I can't be 100% sure because your reply was a bit confusing.)

LordBeggar · 1 Apr 2021 at 15:27

I Really Hope intel's next gen process will comlete against AMD because we need competition or AMD will increase the price like they have done with 5000 series

richto · 1 Apr 2021 at 15:28

Journey said:
I didn't claim any thing of the sort, likely quoting the incorrect person.

And you are wrong, the 4x m.2 slot is a single dedicated slot direct to the CPU, it cannot be split at all. You can only take lanes away from the main 16x assignment to the bus, so 8x/4x/4x etc.

See for example 4 PCI-E M2 lanes to the CPU on Rocketlake:

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2020/03/Intel-Rocket-Lake-S-VideoCardz.jpg

Either way it doesn't disable the M2 when you use the GPU as claimed above. At least not on an Asus Rog Maximus Hero XIII anyway.

EsaT · 1 Apr 2021 at 15:39

beberobu said:
As i dont want middle range CPU...

Actually 8 cores is now mid range on desktop platforms with top being 16 cores.
We're not living in four cores is high end Intel stagnation era anymore.

Journey · 1 Apr 2021 at 15:41

richto said:
Either way it doesn't disable the M2 when you use the GPU as claimed above. At least not on an Asus Rog Maximus Hero XIII anyway.

nice edit...

And I didn't claim is disabled the m.2 slot, stop putting words in my mouth it was someone else...

Just admit you have no idea how it works, as you have no exposure to this type of configuration, where as it's literally part of my day job to understand how these thing work and how to configure them.

Just for you and your edit, here's the manual for the board you were quoting.

richto · 1 Apr 2021 at 17:18

Grim5 said:
30 March is launch day

Preordered the 11900KF a few weeks ago and no shipment notice so far. I note that the price has gone up by 30 quid since though.

SquidgyB · 1 Apr 2021 at 17:29

richto said:
Preordered the 11900KF a few weeks ago and no shipment notice so far. I note that the price has gone up by 30 quid since though.

I just had a reply from my webnote query from Tuesday - they "oversold" the chips and have "no current ETA" on stock, so I cancelled.

I'll let the dust settle and if prices come down sometime, maybe I'll think about it again. For now I'll live with what I've got - I was only pushing for the best fps with VR flight sims (mostly single thread limited), and my current rig is plenty for now.

philo-sofa · 1 Apr 2021 at 18:01

richto said:
Well, no because they don't show that - they show that the majority of those games are a few percentage points faster on the 11900K. And all the benchmarks so far published also show that the 11900K has highest single threaded performance over any AMD CPU.

They absolutely do not show that.

richto · 1 Apr 2021 at 18:59

philo-sofa said:
They absolutely do not show that.

They do:

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/YFUSQABx8jnroWGXohUB3K-2337-80.jpg

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SquidgyB said:
I just had a reply from my webnote query from Tuesday - they "oversold" the chips and have "no current ETA" on stock, so I cancelled.

I'll let the dust settle and if prices come down sometime, maybe I'll think about it again. For now I'll live with what I've got - I was only pushing for the best fps with VR flight sims (mostly single thread limited), and my current rig is plenty for now.

Thanks - be nice if OC emailed customers that ordered when it said expected availability date of 30th March to tell them that!

Grim5 said:
geekbench is not good i wish people would stop using it. The 11900k still puts up impressive single core numbers in cinebench and cpu-z that's more or less on par with Zen3, it's just unfortunate that those results don't translate to games because of its high core to core latency and lack of a large L3 game cache or Large L4 game cache

Passmark then:

https://game-debate.com/blog/images/_id1612190436_1406098.PNG

uscool said:
Hmm and I thought they took out 2 cores to boost the frequency to get the gaming crown back

To add more CUs to the crappy integrated graphics that no one uses it seems. It manages on early BIOS and microcode to beat AMD on the majority of game fps benchmarks though which was likely the main aim.