F1 2009 Season discussion/development thread

saddler said:
Just to put it in some kind of perspective, I used the new rules to re-write the the history of the last 10 seasons.

The only two that were affected were 2008, Massa would have been champion and 1999, Irvine would have been champion.
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Out of curiosity what sort of effect would the new system have played futher down the points tables?
 
Now read all the changes.

What the**** are the WMSC smoking?!?

So, you in theory could have someone on 90 points through 9 wins taking the championship and the runner up having 152 points through winning 8 races and finishing 2nd in the rest?

What the hell?!

So, you get 8 engines a year - run them on the edge of destruction so they last just over 1 race each - but are massively fast and you have a damn good chance of winning the championship even though you won’t have any chance in the other 9 races.

Well done the WMSC - A decision Walt Disney would be proud of. Truly Mickey Mouse.

All because the wrong driver won the championship in 2008 in their opinion.
 
Having gone back a bit further ie the last 30 years, most of the 80s would have seen different champions. The other season affected since 1979 are:

1989 Senna not Prost
1987 Mansell not Piquet
1986 Mansell not Prost
1984 Prost not Lauda
1983 Prost not Piquet
1982 Prost not Rosberg
1979 Jones not Schekter

Of course non of this means anything, just though folks might be interested
 
Thermaltake said:
So in theory, drivers competing are going to want to win races rather than settle for 2nd or 3rd.

Will it not create better races?
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But you will also have the situation where a driver has a mare of an opening stint in the race and finds himself down the order. Now there is no reason to try and fight through to maximise the points gained.
 
Here’s a hypothetical scenario:

Driver 1 - 5 wins, no other points = 50 points
Driver 2 - 5 wins, 1 x 2nd place = 58 points
Driver 3 - 4 wins, 10x 2nd places = 130 points

As there are 2 drivers tied on wins - they say it then reverts to points. Does this mean that Driver 3 becomes champion then?
 
NathanE said:
Eh? Not this again :p

Massa was gifted one win. Hamilton was docked a win.
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Exactly.

Imagine how the outrage over Spa would have escalated had this system been in use. The stewards pathetic decision to rob Hamilton of his win and gift it to a totally un-deserving Massa would have effectively handed him the championship.
 
Flibster said:
Now read all the changes.

What the**** are the WMSC smoking?!?

So, you in theory could have someone on 90 points through 9 wins taking the championship and the runner up having 152 points through winning 8 races and finishing 2nd in the rest?

What the hell?!

So, you get 8 engines a year - run them on the edge of destruction so they last just over 1 race each - but are massively fast and you have a damn good chance of winning the championship even though you won’t have any chance in the other 9 races.

Well done the WMSC - A decision Walt Disney would be proud of. Truly Mickey Mouse.

All because the wrong driver won the championship in 2008 in their opinion.
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Agree with you there. The wrong driver did win the title.

Being serious though, the new rule is stupid.

As said before, if a front runner has problems with qualifying or at the start of the race, they fall back down the grid. Will they even risk the engine trying to get to the top spot, which probably they wouldn't make anyway or just cruise around and save the engine for the next race.

I just cant understand how they can think this is a good idea.
 
Flibster said:
Here’s a hypothetical scenario:

Driver 1 - 5 wins, no other points = 50 points
Driver 2 - 5 wins, 1 x 2nd place = 58 points
Driver 3 - 4 wins, 10x 2nd places = 130 points

As there are 2 drivers tied on wins - they say it then reverts to points. Does this mean that Driver 3 becomes champion then?
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I don't think so, no. They revert to the points of the two drivers who have tied.
 
Flibster said:
Here’s a hypothetical scenario:

Driver 1 - 5 wins, no other points = 50 points
Driver 2 - 5 wins, 1 x 2nd place = 58 points
Driver 3 - 4 wins, 10x 2nd places = 130 points

As there are 2 drivers tied on wins - they say it then reverts to points. Does this mean that Driver 3 becomes champion then?
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I'd presume it only reverts to points between the drivers with the most wins, not all drivers, but this does need a bit of clarification.
 
NathanE said:
Massa was **** compared to Hamilton last season. He only won by 1pt because Massa kept being gifted points or Hamilton being docked points (ignoring the balls up that was Canada of course ;))
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Sorry man. I have to disagree. Last year, Massa was among the top 3 performers last year (Alonso, Hamilton and Massa).

Dont forget that although Massa was gifted a win, he also broke down in the final laps in one of the races, while leading by a considerable margin.

Massa and Hamilton were both worthwhile title contenders - both made mistakes and both had some great races. They finished 1 point away from eachother, which was a correct reflection on how the season went.
 
Vertigo1 said:
Imagine how the outrage over Spa would have escalated had this system been in use. The stewards pathetic decision to rob Hamilton of his win and gift it to a totally un-deserving Massa would have effectively handed him the championship.
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The powers that be in F1, were being quite consistent in favouring Ferrari. However, if Hamilton feels strongly about this, he knows exactly what to do. Alonso acknowledges this and has applied for a job at Ferrari.
 
FrankJH said:
Maybe BrawnGP wont win a gp but I really hope they do well esp in the early fly-away races
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I think if you bet against them winning a GP in 2009, you would be a very unwise. They've tested on 2 different tracks are consistently the fastest. It took a superhuman effort from Alonso yesterday to beat (by the narrowest of margins) a time set by BrawnGP. Over a full race distance, Alonso wouldnt stand a chance, though Ferrari/BMW might.
 
yes but ferrari with two evenly matched drivers will struggle with this unless they introduce team orders very early
 
Slam62 said:
yes but ferrari with two evenly matched drivers will struggle with this unless they introduce team orders very early
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Not necessarily.

You are assuming that Ferrari will be able to get 1-2s easily. This may not be as easy as you think. It is by no means certain that they will be able to contain the BrawnGP cars or how they will deal with the BMW cars.

Ferrari will initially give their full backing to both drivers and as the season progresses, if 1 driver begins to fall off, then the other driver will receive the backing. This change in points system wont change Ferrari's strategy.
 
Alex UK said:
I don't think so, no. They revert to the points of the two drivers who have tied.
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Vertigo1 said:
I'd presume it only reverts to points between the drivers with the most wins, not all drivers, but this does need a bit of clarification.
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Next thought..

Driver 1 - 5 wins & no other finishes = 50 points
Driver 2 - 5 wins & no other finishes = 50 points
Driver 3 - 4 wins and 10 2nd places = 130 points

As they are tied on points and other finishing places - who gets the title? ;)

FIA Sporting Regs for 2009 said:
7) DEAD HEAT

7.1 Prizes and points awarded for all the positions of competitors who tie, will be added together and shared equally.

7.2 If two or more constructors or drivers finish the season with the same number of points, the higher place in the Championship (in either case) shall be awarded to:

a) the holder of the greatest number of first places,

b) if the number of first places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of second places,

c) if the number of second places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of third places and so on until a winner emerges.

d) if this procedure fails to produce a result, the FIA will nominate the winner according to such criteria as it thinks fit.
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*splutter* Sorry? So it goes to the driver in the reddest car? Or the driver who drinks the most? Or the driver with the fattest dad? :confused:
 
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7d has been around for a while (I definitely remember seeing it last season and probably before), and let's face it would take something very unusual for it to get that far :) Still, I like Flibster's suggestion of the winner being the one with the fattest Dad.
 
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