F1 2009 Season discussion/development thread

Skeeter said:
There wont be uproar from the drivers, there never is. Its like they have contractual muzzles to stop them having any opinion. The only driver to properly speak his mind (DC) is no longer racing.

The uproar will come from the fans and the teams. The very people the FIA are saying these rules are designed to please.
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My apologies - when I said drivers I meant to also state fans, teams yada, yada....
Why will there will an uproar when the rules are set and made clear from the off?

Anyone complaining will either be a poor loser or just a compulsive whinger.
 
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PinkFloyd said:
Slight tangent on this point alone - I think that is a bit harsh to say lucked!
Barrichello was the most sensible person on the track and put some wet tires on. I'd hardly call that luck!
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Fair enough but that was a weird race and the chaos theory alone (from most people spinning off or whatever) makes me think there was a hefty dollop of luck in there.
 
SDK^ said:
My apologies - when I said drivers I meant to also state fans, teams yada, yada....
Why will there will an uproar when the rules are set and made clear from the off?

Anyone complaining will either be a poor loser or just a compulsive whinger.
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Because there is a real possibility that a driver with 144 (18 2nd places) points could come second to a driver with only 30 or 40.

But even without those extremes, imagin if Hamilton has 120 points, and Massa had 100, but Massa had one more race win... Just imagin what OcUK would become if that happened. It would be the biggest argument ever.
 
Skeeter said:
Because there is a real possibility that a driver with 144 (18 2nd places) points could come second to a driver with only 30 or 40.
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This makes me laugh.
Previous years people are complaining that too many drivers are settling for 2nd place and not driving/racing for more points/wins, the next people are saying drivers finishing in 2nd place should win the championship.

No pleasing is there ;)
Either you get reward for wins or you don't
 
SDK^ said:
The biggest pointless argument ever.
If a driver with more points loses the championship due to less wins then it's their own fault - they had 17 opportunities through out the year to win it.
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I assume you are happy for the WDC to possibly be over by race 10, yeh thats really going to give drivers a incentive for rounds 11-18 or however many races there are in the year [never know what with countries dropping there GP's left right and centre]

The argument of "well there is the Constructors " wont work either, the team do not drive the car.
 
Its all down to wether you belive you should win a Championship for winning a few races, but not finishing any others, or consistently being on the podium every race? Personally, I feel the latter.

This will also cause even more arguments if there is any controversy about who won what race.

Its a big ticking time bomb waiting to go off, and I wouldnt want to be in the fireing line when it does.

And all this talk about "encoraging overtaking" is bull too... this new rule encorages the 2nd place guy to try and overtake the first... but doesnt make any difference to anyone who isnt in with a sniff of winning (i.e. 80% of the field).

CS||nuTs said:
The argument of "well there is the Constructors " wont work either, the team do not drive the car.
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And very few people outside the teams themselves actually care about it
 
SDK^ said:
If a driver wins 10 races then they probably would have won it under the old system anyway ;)
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No

Because if a driver came 2nd in those same 10 races, the difference would only be 20 points, which under the points system is easily recoverable, all you need is a couple of non finishes and its neck and neck again, and you will have 8 races to do it. With the wins system, its all over.
 
SDK^ said:
^^ Assuming the same driver finishes 2nd in every race.
How about we wait for the season to unfold and enjoy the races :)
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So its ok to assume the same driver would win every race, but not ok to assume the same driver would come second in every race too??!? :confused:

Are you designing your own rules of theoretical scenario creation so that you can never loose or something?
 
JRS said:
Which has almost happened before this rule change as well....Schumacher got the 2002 title at Round 11, Mansell won his title at Round 11.
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This is why they changed it from the 10, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1 rules to the 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, to prevent seasons being won that early. The wins system brings this problem right back...
 
Skeeter said:
So its ok to assume the same driver would win every race, but not ok to assume the same driver would come second in every race too??!? :confused:

Are you designing your own rules of theoretical scenario creation so that you can never loose or something?
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My point; let’s stop analysing every possible/improbable result and enjoy the spectacle.
Everyone knows the rules from the start of the season so there are no excuses for anyone who loses.

Skeeter said:
This is why they changed it from the 10, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1 rules to the 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, to prevent seasons being won that early. The wins system brings this problem right back...
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The problem with this is people moaned when drivers cruised to 2nd place (yawn) finishes.
They fix it and people continue to moan - sigh


Who was that said people don't like change ;)

Anyway, what would you do to make it better - I'm sure we could all sit here and pick holes in it :p
 
Aww ta boys, nice to know I was missed. :D
Have kept an eye on this thread over the winter break, just not felt the need to post til now. Will be back and raring to go for the first race though! :)
 
SDK^ said:
Anyway, what would you do to make it better - I'm sure we could all sit here and pick holes in it :p
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Go and read the FOTA suggestions. They are pretty much what I would like to see, and seen as they have come from FOTA, im guessing the teams are quite happy with them too...

The FIA just ignored all of them.
 
FOTA submission from march the 5th 2009.

Completely ignoring Bernie’s medal idea, FOTA have proposed the points for the top three finishers is increased, to try and encourage overtaking. From 10-8-6, they suggest it be moved up to 12-9-7, with the rest working from 5 backwards as usual. Is this really enough to get a driver challenging for position? Is the points system really the place to make this happen? Either way, we should really just be grateful that they are numbers and not medals.

One of the most surprising ideas to come from the announcement is the idea of offering points for the fastest pit stop. A constructors point could be on offer for the team with the slickest mechanics. I can understand the idea behind this, but it seems like a bizarre offering. Considering the ban on refuelling seems to be discouraging pit stops, this would make them an integral part of the race weekend.
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Their points system is much better tbh compared to the crap medal system.
 
Skeeter said:
Go and read the FOTA suggestions. They are pretty much what I would like to see, and seen as they have come from FOTA, im guessing the teams are quite happy with them too...

The FIA just ignored all of them.
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Changing the points system from 10, 8 to 12, 9 is radical ;)

A quote from that statement above

Is this really enough to get a driver challenging for position?
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