F1 2009 Season discussion/development thread

It all leads to the question of why should someone be a world champion. Is it because they were the most consistantly quick driver that picked up many good points finishes, or the guy that in half the races of the year was quickest. With the new system a Ferrari or a Brawn GP car could have the championship wrapped up before McLaren gets their car sorted out. You could end up seeing the McLaren winning pretty much everything in the second half of the season and it wouldn't count for squat. I'm sure the Hamilton fans won't like that either. You also can't really say Massa would have been an undeserving champion. He is fast, and he drove a pretty much perfect final race. If it was even points going into the last race, then I thoroughly believe that Massa would have been the one that deserved the championship.
And tell me whats wrong with the way BTCC is run now?? How many different winners did we have last year? It was bloody good close racing! The ballast is a brilliant idea, it'd stop the same team/driver dominating, and isn't that what we want?

Edit.. i'd also have to agree on an earlier comment about how 2 cars per team would be a bit pointless, because you cant have Kimi and Massa having a win a peice, and both getting a few medals and someone else swanning in and stealing the championship when the ferrari's are weaker. You'd only encourage races where the outcome is decided by team orders rather than outright racing.

I'd also like to add.. do you honestly think that everyone behind the race winner up to now just settled for their position? How can dangling a carrot (medal) infront of a driver change the fact that he cant overtake the car infront because he cant get close enough to it before a straight to overtake! Changing the cars will help overtaking, changing the rules will do nothing but force drivers to take stupid/dangerous risks in an all or nothing move. You might see some more schumacher inspired "oops i turned in on you, im world champion" moves this year if it comes down to it. By saying medals will encourage overtaking is basically saying that pretty much every driver on the grid up to now just hasn't been trying his best to overtake. What utter rubbish.
 
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realscot said:
And tell me whats wrong with the way BTCC is run now??
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Darren Turner couldnt have put it better.

"[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There’s a difference between racing hard and being blatantly fired off the track. That’s not racing to me and it just illustrates a lack of racecraft. For me, a big part of being a good driver is finding a way past the guy in front but within the spirit of racing. Just driving someone off the track…well…any ****** can do that!"[/FONT]
 
FrankJH said:
To me last year proves why the new "wins" system is *****

If we had this years "scoring" system last year a totally UNdeserving driver would have won the WDC because of a farcical off-track decision in Spa

Its bad enough that a race can be unfairly awarded like that, but to have the WDC awarded because of it makes it a complete mockery imo
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I don't think you can make the comparison like that with last year. Last year had last year's scoring system. That influenced what happened. This year, with the new system, the same things might not happen and the same steward's decisions might not be made.
 
"The FIA at the moment says that interpretation is correct, but possibly some other teams will put in a protest before Melbourne. It won't affect racing but will be looked at after."
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so people will get punished for understanding the restrictions properly:rolleyes:

wahhh wahhh please they made a faster car it isnt fair!
 
JRS said:
But you couldn't just put it down to Spa, could you? You might as well say that Massa would have won it because Hamilton crashed into the back of a stationary car in the pitlane with the red light on and his team screaming at him over the radio to hit the sodding brakes and thus lost a near-certain win.

Though I certainly agree that the Spa decision was a complete farce (lets see if sunama spots it this time....).
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you could easily put it down to that one incident though

If that decision actually goes the "correct" way, then Hamilton wins the WDC anyway (which was the deserved result)

Yes Hamilton was stupid in the Canadian pitlane no question, but the fact remains that one idiotic decision by stewards could completely alter the WDC, after Hamilton had completed an excellent race
 
arknor said:
so people will get punished for understanding the restrictions properly:rolleyes:

wahhh wahhh please they made a faster car it isnt fair!
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It was always going to happen arknor. F1 has a history of punishing the innovators in the end.
 
realscot said:
Edit.. i'd also have to agree on an earlier comment about how 2 cars per team would be a bit pointless, because you cant have Kimi and Massa having a win a peice, and both getting a few medals and someone else swanning in and stealing the championship when the ferrari's are weaker. You'd only encourage races where the outcome is decided by team orders rather than outright racing.
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What team orders? They're banned.

The driver in front will have to develop a problem like fading or overheating brakes. ;)
 
Anyone notice the 1:18.202 that Kova has done?

Seems a big improvement. Could be a number of reasons obviously, And we won`t know how close they are till race day. But they have been nowhere near this all week.
 
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arknor said:
so people will get punished for understanding the restrictions properly:rolleyes:

wahhh wahhh please they made a faster car it isnt fair!
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The trouble is that, in typical FIA style, they've failed to write regulations that can be cleared interpreted one way or the other.
 
Does anyone else feel that team orders will be much more preavlent this season?

If your a team manager and your cars are first and second, the driver in second has won a few more races than the other, you would be very tempted to ask them to "switch" places, possible as early as the second third of the season.
 
So are we going to see some midfield team, hugely sacrifice reliability for outline speed, just to win races.
I can understand taht it will mean more racing, but it's still a crap rule.

As for all this crap about Hamilton losing last year. He would have raced a lot differently. It certainly going to be interesting. we could see top drivers/team finishing the year near the bottom. It's going for all out wins and crashing/reliability and ending up with nothing.
 
Keltyx said:
If your a team manager and your cars are first and second, the driver in second has won a few more races than the other, you would be very tempted to ask them to "switch" places, possible as early as the second third of the season.
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As early as the 3rd race you mean.
 
Countcussy said:
Anyone notice the 1:18.202 that Kova has done?

Seems a big improvement. Could be a number of reasons obviously, And we won`t know how close they are till race day. But they have been nowhere near this all week.
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Damn was hoping they would be crap for the whole of testing to get some good odds on hamilton winning the championship.
 
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