Not really, the chief McLaren designer was found with mostly full blueprints of the Ferrari car.
F1 2009 Season discussion/development thread
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Not really, the chief McLaren designer was found with mostly full blueprints of the Ferrari car.
Still, didn't the FIA check the car over and find no Ferrari IP in there? I think it was mainly used by the testers for setup purposes. I think Ferrari also got to look over the 08 McLaren to ensure none of their stuff was in that either.
this nonsense again.
1, mclaren didnt steal anything a ferrari guy gave them the data
2, ferrari were allowed to fully inspect mclarens car and designs for any of there ip's.
3, the 08 mclaren was fully inspected and found ok.
so stop trying to derail the current topic with tiresome and now very boring arguments.
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. . . and I am quite sure that the engineers who inspected McLaren's 2008 car promptly erased any record from their memory of any characteristics of said car as they left the McLaren factory
Soldato
And I'll repeat, from the Brazil GP thread:
But you won't be dropping it any time soon, will you? Also, while we're here, any response to this post at all? Or are you going to ignore it like you've ignored every other time I've gone off on one at you for managing to blithely miss every single time I've criticised the FIA and race stewards?
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Actually, forget it. Going to finally take my own advice. Also got to apologise to Duke again for taking this thread off-topic - you won't have to worry about that any more.
Ferrari never got to look over the 08 car, it was looked over by an FIA appointed group of people.
The FIA (or world motor council) ruling also concluded that McLaren did benefit from the Ferrari information, and did potentially use it on their car ... however it was impossible to prove whether they did or did not use any of the IP.
Either way, the fact that they HAD used the info, even if for testing/setup purposes (remember Alonso saying "oh we must try this air in our tyres") should have been enough to have the team thrown out for atleast 2 years (again this is taken from a statement given by FIA officials saying that current + next season would be the minimum amount of time that McLaren would have benefited from with the info).
Richards about to make his move?
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/21122008/23/richards-flies-honda-talks.html
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/21122008/23/richards-flies-honda-talks.html
Soldato
we can only hope they cull half of the work force down there. Honda employ far to many folks down at that factory. The buyer will have a much easier task on their hands then.
Soldato
Camp it mate. Silson is out in the sticks. Public transport is non existant. Campin is by far the best way to enjoy the event and the festivities around the village.
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who says the FIA dont benefit more from a Ferrari win though - ie maybe (as an example) Ferrari have the least amount of loyal fans around the world and therefore those ticket sales for race weekends etc exceed the $80m per year they have to pay out to Ferrari
(if they had the highest amount of loyal fans then the payment wouldnt be necessary as the fans would come anyway)
It doesnt surprise me one bit to be honest - FIA have to be kicked out and BE for allowing it, more currupt than certain States in America!!!
who says the FIA dont benefit more from a Ferrari win though - ie maybe (as an example) Ferrari have the least amount of loyal fans around the world and therefore those ticket sales for race weekends etc exceed the $80m per year they have to pay out to Ferrari
(if they had the highest amount of loyal fans then the payment wouldnt be necessary as the fans would come anyway)
It doesnt surprise me one bit to be honest - FIA have to be kicked out and BE for allowing it, more currupt than certain States in America!!!
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Why does everyone keep saying FIA are paying Ferrari $80million more?
It's the FOM not the FIA.
Bernie != FIA
FIA != Bernie
THE FOM IS GIVING FERRARI $80MILLION MORE - NOT THE FIA!
The FIA have sod all to do with the distribution of the prize money!
The FIA just *over*regulate the sport!
It's the FOM not the FIA.
Bernie != FIA
FIA != Bernie
THE FOM IS GIVING FERRARI $80MILLION MORE - NOT THE FIA!
The FIA have sod all to do with the distribution of the prize money!
The FIA just *over*regulate the sport!
Soldato
Public transport eh? The only time there is public transport around silson. Its completely crap every other day of the year.
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Soldato
Certainly makes a mockery of Bernie's stance a few years ago when he was dictating to the tracks of the west that failure to comply to his whims would result in F1 moving east.