F1 2012 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!
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Im not sure Senna / Prost are totally comparable to today's F1
Yes if you are comparing team mates then fair enough, exactly the same equipment (for the most part at the same time lol), so any tiny little difference can make a huge difference on track
If you arent team mates, then there are so many different variables Im not sure the fractions that are being examined here make that much difference. Maybe to a single race (but then this implies the "loser" gets 2nd place instead of 1st , which in the first race is never a bad thing), but not over a season.
Its probably fair to say though that if McLaren, Ferrari or Merc (Merc being less likely but still possible), I suppose maybe Renault /Lotus but I think thats very unlikely, dont come up with an X Factor that allows them to really be on SV's back tyres before the 3rd / 4th race at the worst, its going to be similar to this year
The one thing (and Im not sure how big a difference its going to make is) , I cant remember where I read it, so by all means correct me - but I believe the high rake of the RB chassis is what makes their bendy front wing be so effective. I am right in thinking that for 2012 the rake "allowance" has been shallowed somewhat to take away some of the advantage? AN will probably find something to extend their advantage anyway, but Im crossing my fingers this will have a huge impact on RB being pulled back in 2012 even before other cars come out.
Yes if you are comparing team mates then fair enough, exactly the same equipment (for the most part at the same time lol), so any tiny little difference can make a huge difference on track
If you arent team mates, then there are so many different variables Im not sure the fractions that are being examined here make that much difference. Maybe to a single race (but then this implies the "loser" gets 2nd place instead of 1st , which in the first race is never a bad thing), but not over a season.
Its probably fair to say though that if McLaren, Ferrari or Merc (Merc being less likely but still possible), I suppose maybe Renault /Lotus but I think thats very unlikely, dont come up with an X Factor that allows them to really be on SV's back tyres before the 3rd / 4th race at the worst, its going to be similar to this year
The one thing (and Im not sure how big a difference its going to make is) , I cant remember where I read it, so by all means correct me - but I believe the high rake of the RB chassis is what makes their bendy front wing be so effective. I am right in thinking that for 2012 the rake "allowance" has been shallowed somewhat to take away some of the advantage? AN will probably find something to extend their advantage anyway, but Im crossing my fingers this will have a huge impact on RB being pulled back in 2012 even before other cars come out.
Never said it was just that - all I said was this may be a reason why they take a step back nearer McLaren / Ferrari before moving forward
your reasoning also explains why they could miss some downforce at the back also (because of the need to balance the car)
your reasoning also explains why they could miss some downforce at the back also (because of the need to balance the car)
or maybe the EBD system redbull has was so good and the whole car was designed around it allowing them to have so much more downforce on the front.
some teams barely bothered to do anything with the front wing for along time because they didnt have the rear downforce to balance it out and theres no point trying to have a car with loads of front grip unless you want to kill the rear tyres.
some teams barely bothered to do anything with the front wing for along time because they didnt have the rear downforce to balance it out and theres no point trying to have a car with loads of front grip unless you want to kill the rear tyres.
wasnt a lot of the rake about channeling air to the rear
Speaking of Senna, Bruno says he's in talks with Williams:
http://tazio.uol.com.br/noticia/senna-nega-que-tenha-assinado-com-williams-para-2012/
http://tazio.uol.com.br/noticia/senna-nega-que-tenha-assinado-com-williams-para-2012/
I hope Senna gets the Williams seat, after out-performing Petrov easily this season (minus his unfortunate blips and undeserved penalties) I think he's a talent that needs to be realised.
As for Maldonado, I swear Williams only signed him up for the money, he's such a slow and poor driver.
As for Maldonado, I swear Williams only signed him up for the money, he's such a slow and poor driver.
Yeah it was. Frank suggested there had been a regulation change to limit the amount of rake on a car. Does anyone have any details?
While I don't agree Senna is crap, I do feel there are far more deserving drivers out there who could fill that seat.
Soldato
I'd go Sutil or Barrichello.
Williams could use a steady hand and someone who can help them develop which Barrichello would probably do well with, but I'd say arguably Sutil may scrape more points if he can continue his end of season form.
Above all though I think Williams need cash, hence Maldonardo, so who knows will get the seat in the end.
Williams could use a steady hand and someone who can help them develop which Barrichello would probably do well with, but I'd say arguably Sutil may scrape more points if he can continue his end of season form.
Above all though I think Williams need cash, hence Maldonardo, so who knows will get the seat in the end.
The last back running HRT for 1 season and a shoddy backwards Renault for a few short of half a season? That's hardly "more than a fair share" and he did drive better than his team mates on both occasions.
sure it is a lot of people wont get that even though they deserve it on merit and not sponsor money
Nothing has changed regarding the allowable rake that a car can run.
However, the exhaust blowing round the diffusers provided an air curtain which effectively sealed the sides of the diffuser off. This allowed the rear to be raised and still allow the diffuser to work efficiently. The rules for this year limit the positioning of the exhaust system and so prevent the diffuser from being blown and so it is expected that the rear of the cars will have to be dropped to get the diffuser working correctly.
Soldato
Hamilton/Alonso have not had the car to give Vettel a 'senna style' hard time, things were VERY different back then to what they are now anyway.
Vettel may well have become the daddy of F1 but not through sheer superior driving skills. The RB car was so quick last season it was clear early on, that he wouldn't be caught. People do have blinkered views on what exactly makes a F1 driver the best.
I'm sorry, but starting from pole nearly every race, mostly overtaking back markers only, in the best car on the grid, does not make a driver the best there is. Yes, he is a damn fine driver but he had it way too easy, ridiculously so.
Let's see him start down the grid a bit, in a car equal to, or worse than the top teams, and win as many as he did last season. Then and only then, can we say he is the daddy of F1, until then (IMO) he still has a lot to prove.
Personally, I'd go with Barrichello. Mainly because of one thing that Williams haven't had in a while. Stability.
They haven't really had much of a stable team for while now, and if you keep chopping a changing, how can you expect to move forward? So many unknown entities coming and known entities leaving... Can't be much of a help.
Thats on both the driver and design/engineering sides of the team.
Ah, ok, so its not a regulation change specific to the rake, but with the ban on EBD's the high rear end would be a disadvantage, so will be scaled back. That makes sense. Cheers.
williams should get heidfeld if they want someone with experience, im sure he would do a better job than barrichello and i dont understand why renault dropped him seeing as he was providing them with good results almost instantly