F1 2012 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!
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Bit more Torro Rosso reaction.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/12/reaction-to-toro-rosso-driver-clearout/
I lol'd
Edit: Seems Petrov will still be on the grid next year with Marussia, makes sense I guess.
I noticed him in the deli bar about 15 mins later, not a happy chappy.
really hope Di Resta destroys Hulk, nothing against the latter, but always thought he was pretty average (ok pole lap in Brazil was good, even very good, but there was a huge element of luck to it imo, even though he still had to do it admittedly)
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Don't think so, just think he's a nicer person that Sutil...
Ammused that VJ has held this announcment in till now when it's been blindingly clear how the line up would pan out
Soldato
My source suggests that D'Ambrosio has always been likely to struggle with getting sponsorship money for a second year (I was told this back in may, so its possible that things 'may' have changed). A shame because he is a good driver, just that the 3 teams at the rear of the pack haven't been anything close to able to showcase their talents.
Of that list, I expect that Alguersuari will probably end up at HRT, Petrov to Marrusia or however it is written, Buemi would go well with Caterham I think, the rest, well I'm sorry but its time to take a few names away from the list of 'current' drivers..
I thought this video was interesting (in case it hasn't been posted before).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/murraywalker/2011/12/red_bull_reflect_on_another_ye.html
An interview with Horner and Newey. They discuss Vettel as well as Newey's departure from McLaren and into RBR.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/murraywalker/2011/12/red_bull_reflect_on_another_ye.html
An interview with Horner and Newey. They discuss Vettel as well as Newey's departure from McLaren and into RBR.
Have you actually followed his career before he made it into F1? He is definitely the best of the most recent crop of drivers to come through GP2 and has a path that actually closely mirrors Lewis Hamilton in terms of championships (with the addition of being by far the class of the field in his season of A1GP).
very interesting indeed (I also liked the Williams /RB comparison, but with PH in the roll AN is with Red Bull now)
Fantastic pr for RB no doubt, but does anyone think SV visit to Pirelli factory last winter made ANY difference at all to the results this /last season?Personally I doubt it
Followed Di Resta in a bit of DTM (and a little previous to that), but I presume you mean Hulk .....how many GP2 /A1GP winners have disappeared off into the sunset because they just arent good enough for F1.....Plenty. He may well make a decent career out of F1 but I doubt it will ever be in a class leading car, unless its "doing a massa" and just collecting points where he can for the team - rather than leading the team chasing wins.
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I don't think it made any difference to his on track performance, but if memory serves me correct, did Vettel not attend an on-track test for Pirelli, last Winter? Of the leading drivers, I think he was the only one who did this.
you are right he did (as mentioned in the vid also)
I guess it could be argued that test might have made a bit of difference to the first couple of races (possibly) but after that.....?
Good little clip, thanks.
I'd go along with that.
It does puzzle me though - why didnt the other top drivers attend, given that it might possibly give them a slight edge in the opening GPs of the season.
Because the compound was still being worked out, so they were going to be quite different to what they would be given to use during the season. If it was going to be the same, all the race drivers would have been there.
This. It was development testing, not a test of the actual compounds being used. The teams would have seen very little benefit from sending their drivers. I also doubt Vettel got any benefit out of it either. He tested tyres he never raced on. It's all been a bit inflated by people either trying to make it seem like all the other drivers are lazy, or trying to find an excuse for Vettel being so fast.
Considering that testing time was so limited, surely any time spent in the cockpit, on track is beneficial - even on tyres of different compounds?
Lazy Drivers
I hear what you are saying, but IMO, the other drivers were lazy.
Vettel is the just consummate professional who leaves no stone unturned. If I were a driver wishing to achieve greatness (eg. Alonso/Hamilton), I would be doing anything and everything to upstage Vettel. There is absolutely no way that I would be prepared to allow Vettel to get 1 day's extra testing time (even if the tyre compounds are different). If Vettel got even 1 hour inside a car, I would be kicking up a fuss about that extra hour. I'd want everybody around me to know that I mean business. I think its probably more psychological than anything else.
I would also take the opportunity to give Pirelli MY feedback and urge them to produce the tyres, the way that I would like. Whether they do this is not important. The point is that I would want Vettel to know that I'm not going to let him beat me off track and gain any strategic advantage. It's a psychological and possibly, a strategic game (if Pirellis end up creating a tyre, based on my feedback).
Vettel, Prost & Senna
In 2009, Hamilton/Alonso would've beaten Vettel had they been in an RBR. But this is no longer the case and if you want to beat Vettel, you cannot afford to give him even a 0.5% advantage.
When Senna entered F1, he was obsessed with beating Prost. He was not interested in beating anyone, except for Prost...as he believed Prost was the best driver ever. He would track him all the time and ensured that he didn't allow Prost to gain any advantage (off-track or on-track). IMO Alonso/Hamilton have to start giving Vettel the same treatment as Prost got (from Senna).
In any case, the way things are looking, Vettel could well become the daddy of F1 by the end of 2012 (some may argue that he already is) and beyond the reach of Alonso/Hamilton...it really depends on whether Vettel can improve or not. If Vettel does improve further, even if he doesn't gain a strategic advantage (off track), he may still obliterate the opposition.
Lazy Drivers
I hear what you are saying, but IMO, the other drivers were lazy.
Vettel is the just consummate professional who leaves no stone unturned. If I were a driver wishing to achieve greatness (eg. Alonso/Hamilton), I would be doing anything and everything to upstage Vettel. There is absolutely no way that I would be prepared to allow Vettel to get 1 day's extra testing time (even if the tyre compounds are different). If Vettel got even 1 hour inside a car, I would be kicking up a fuss about that extra hour. I'd want everybody around me to know that I mean business. I think its probably more psychological than anything else.
I would also take the opportunity to give Pirelli MY feedback and urge them to produce the tyres, the way that I would like. Whether they do this is not important. The point is that I would want Vettel to know that I'm not going to let him beat me off track and gain any strategic advantage. It's a psychological and possibly, a strategic game (if Pirellis end up creating a tyre, based on my feedback).
Vettel, Prost & Senna
In 2009, Hamilton/Alonso would've beaten Vettel had they been in an RBR. But this is no longer the case and if you want to beat Vettel, you cannot afford to give him even a 0.5% advantage.
When Senna entered F1, he was obsessed with beating Prost. He was not interested in beating anyone, except for Prost...as he believed Prost was the best driver ever. He would track him all the time and ensured that he didn't allow Prost to gain any advantage (off-track or on-track). IMO Alonso/Hamilton have to start giving Vettel the same treatment as Prost got (from Senna).
In any case, the way things are looking, Vettel could well become the daddy of F1 by the end of 2012 (some may argue that he already is) and beyond the reach of Alonso/Hamilton...it really depends on whether Vettel can improve or not. If Vettel does improve further, even if he doesn't gain a strategic advantage (off track), he may still obliterate the opposition.