F1 2012 - This whole 'stepped-nose' thing
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I'd put money on it but I know full well you'd not cough up come the end of the season
So you really do know it all then, figures
we shall see won't we.
So you really do know it all then, figures
we shall see won't we.
I've seen how stubbornly you refuse to admit being wrong on here before, don't need to be a know it all for that
We will indeed see, though I won't hold my breath for you conceding the point come this time next year when McLaren haven't touched the tub at all and probably won't have even run a max height nose.
We shall see
Put it this way.
If the high nose is such the advantage you perceive it to be we would have noticed it more so last year. The noses last year were ran even higher.
If McLaren felt they were losing out in this area they would have adapted over the winter. I'll repeat myself, a high nose is not a bolt on go faster part like the F-duct was.
High nose will negate the loss of EBD somewhat, McLaren have not yet recovered that loss, others are said to have done so already.
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how exactly?
Good grief! What has EBD got to do with it? All the teams have lost their blown diffusers, not just McLaren.
As has been said repeatedly before, McLaren won't be using a stepped nose this year. Even if they decided to abandon 3 years of development and go with a HIGH nose, it wont NEED to be stepped because their tub is ALREADY low enough for a nose sticking out completely horizontally to be inside the required dimensions.
As for your thoug that the other teams "know something" McLaren don't, that again isn't the case. The reason we have stepped noses is a compromise in the regs. The FIA wanted low noses, all the teams (except McL) complained as it would involve them producing lower tubs to comply, which would screw up their suspension designs.
The FIA have agreed that the high tubs can stay for this year, so the other teams have managed to keep their tried and tested suspsension, but have had to compromise with a step in the nose.
I imagine througout the whole period, McLaren were sat quietly chuckling as their current (2011) design was legal already. Their tried and tested suspension is designed around a low tub. They are just as likely to go "high tub" as any other team is to go "low tub" - i.e. they're not!
Lol I'm starting to notice you arguing a lot around here, and most of the time you are wrong, like in this case aswell
Mclaren are working from a different angle here, their nose was lower last year, and its lower this year. They have no need to have a step because they have no need to run the nose any higher.
Soldato
You guys are all wrong, the stepped nose is the way forward.
Soldato
In fact
scrap that
ignore list updated lol
scrap that
ignore list updated lol
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Ah, the classic OCUK F1 thread progression, how I've missed you...
I suspect McLaren's design will prove its merits, but we'll start finding out soon enough.
I suspect McLaren's design will prove its merits, but we'll start finding out soon enough.
So you really do know it all then, figures
Pot, Kettle, Black. You've just spent this thread arguing that you know better than the engineers from one of the most successful formula 1 teams in history.
As a fairly impartial motors forum lurker you really come across as someone who doesn't know what they're talking about and just argues to either troll or because of your biased loyalties.
That was a car designed around an EBD which then had the blowing removed at short notice. The removal of the over run fuelling also messed up the Merc KERs system which used this to effectively drive the generator and decouple its drag from the braking effect. This years car has been designed around not having the diffuser driven by exhaust gases.
RBR and Ferrari, and others, had high noses last year when running with an EBD. How will maintaining a high nose now negate the affect of removing the EBD.
The Red bull doesnt have a snowplough at all.
This is the snowplough-
http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/mp4-27_front203-4.jpg
Mclaren are the only team to run it and have done for several years, their design concept for several seasons now has been about having a good, low front end as oppose to sacrificing all and everything to gain a bit more aero.
A higher front nose while gaining a bit more air underneath compromises front suspension geometry, CoG and driver visibility, if the snowplough is doing the job (mclarens have had good front ends for a while so I presume it is) then why should mclaren throw away years of development just to fit a different type of compromise when what they have works pretty well as is.
As for lasts years cars dodgy backend, it was designed for a very fancy exhaust system whose materials were banned by the FIA at short notice which was a day 1 abortion leaving mclaren no option but to scrap the back end and possibly cost left them months behind in rear end development.
The rear designed for the octopus exhaust compromised them for the whole season. Not only did they not get any proper test mileage with the configuration that was raced, but the gearbox was raised to allow the exhaust to fit under it, compromising the CofG and then they never gained the benefit of the correct exhaust.
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The only thing that bothers me with the Mclaren is the exhaust-wart placement.
You'd think they'd blend it in to the sidepod a bit, at the moment it's just terrible.
You'd think they'd blend it in to the sidepod a bit, at the moment it's just terrible.
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I wasn't aware of that. Pretty interesting stuff. Jenson mentioned on Wednesday that he was extremely happy with the cars high speed down force in the sim as well. Looking forward to seeing what configuration they have tomorrow.