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Yes, but didn't those regulations flop?
Admittedly the small turbocharged engines of the 80s fared a tad better...
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Yes, but didn't those regulations flop?
Admittedly the small turbocharged engines of the 80s fared a tad better...
For me it's not the size, it's the lack of devlopment. Which has been a slow path of decline since mid 90s and is getting ever stricter.
Not impressed with the specs. It's essentially a standard engine, just made by different people. Shares a lot of the specs with the WRC engine spec - FIA are getting their way.
Would like the option of more than 10krpm though... Ditch the pheumatic valves and that will limit them to 16krpm. 600bhp isn't that impressive either...
Although, I do hope they drop the minimum engine weight - 95kg for a 4pot F1 engine is a little heavy.
Would like the option of more than 10krpm though... Ditch the pheumatic valves and that will limit them to 16krpm. 600bhp isn't that impressive either...
Although, I do hope they drop the minimum engine weight - 95kg for a 4pot F1 engine is a little heavy.
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Not sure they flopped at all, actually. The '61 to '65 formula produced some truly stunning races, and the cars actually lived on into the 3 litre era as stopgaps for some teams while they struggled to find new powerplants.
The 1.5l N/A era gave us the '61 Monaco GP, with Moss in an outdated Lotus with an underpowered Climax engine nailed to the back taking on the might of the Ferrari works team and leaving it floundering in his wake. And he repeated that trick at the German GP later in the season as well - the only two championship races that were not won by Ferrari that year. Predictably, Ferrari then went and self-destructed over that winter which allowed the British garagistes (Lotus, BRM etc) to catch back up and overtake them. That formula was basically the platform for Lotus becoming a major force in GP racing.
It official
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/12/11597.html
1.6l 4 cylinder turbo engines running at a maximum of 12,000rpm from 2013 onwards, with the limit on egines being 5 per year for 2013, and 4 per year for 2014 onwards.
With 20 races a season, thats 5 complete race weekends per engine.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/12/11597.html
1.6l 4 cylinder turbo engines running at a maximum of 12,000rpm from 2013 onwards, with the limit on egines being 5 per year for 2013, and 4 per year for 2014 onwards.
With 20 races a season, thats 5 complete race weekends per engine.
Point out where it mentions forced induction?
1.6l 4 cylinder normally asperated engines...
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I won't F1 is going downhill, they need to stop messing with the rules.
1.6l 4 pot NA would be even worse! But as the whole idea is about being 'green' they are going to have to use Turbos.
Just for comparison, IndyCar rules for 2012 onwards are proposed as an 'open engine formula' with the limits being turbo engines up to 2.4l and 6 cylinders, able to produce between 550 and 750bhp, with an additional 100bhp KERS push to pass system.
*sigh*
Just for comparison, IndyCar rules for 2012 onwards are proposed as an 'open engine formula' with the limits being turbo engines up to 2.4l and 6 cylinders, able to produce between 550 and 750bhp, with an additional 100bhp KERS push to pass system.
*sigh*
They will never win. No rules changes = the biggest teams spending loads on tiny updates and people moan. Rules changes and people moan still.
The amount of people saying its going downhill each time they change something is funny.
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Can just see the marketing. "our hot hatch has a 1.6 turbo, just like an f1 car"
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Pah, mine will be bigger than an F1 car!
There is no mention of any form of forced induction at all - until the full regs are released to confirm, it's pretty safe to assume that they are not turbocharged.
So a 1.6litre inline 4...
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In the Thermodynamics lab at Loughborough University there is a Cosworth 1.5 v6 twin turbo 15,000rpm engine on display that had 1000hp....
...and it was from 1988.
...and it was from 1988.
Soldato
At least F1 hasn't gone diesel. 
Unfortunately the steady march of standardisation is killing F1 for me. Amongst other things, innovation is stamped down on and new regs from the FIA seem to be completely at odds with what the fanbase want. At least that's how I see it.
Unfortunately the steady march of standardisation is killing F1 for me. Amongst other things, innovation is stamped down on and new regs from the FIA seem to be completely at odds with what the fanbase want. At least that's how I see it.
I'm sick of hearing about that thing, my uni lecturer is former Cosworth head engineer who worked on that thing. I've heard about it about so many times, including the part that the thing was designed to do way more power than it actually makes.
Um, no turbo?!??! or turbo? Who is correct :OAutosport said:
BBC said:
We are talking about 390bhp in NA trim, at 12k RPM.
So 600bhp from turbo would be very easy
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From currently available info - No turbo
It will have to be Turbo, there is just no way to make enough power in NA trim