F1 2015 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!

Skeeter said:
This would be fine if nobody else from GP2 moved up either. But at the moment we are getting mediocre champions who leave and vanish, while a random selection of even more mediocre drivers who couldn't beat the mediocre champion are hoovered up by the F1 teams due to their funding.

There's a very real argument for getting into GP2 and then not bothering to try and be fast, and instead just focus on gaining sponsors.

The rule about champions leaving made sense when the champion was almost guaranteed an F1 contract (Hamilton, Glock, Rosberg, etc), but now it just makes GP2 a complete dead end.
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I agree it's a right mess at the moment and could do with something being done about it, it's too money oriented from F1 right down, but unfortunately I dont think that is a quick or easy thing to fix.
 
Guerrilla said:
I agree it's a right mess at the moment and could do with something being done about it, it's too money oriented from F1 right down, but unfortunately I dont think that is a quick or easy thing to fix.
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To be honest, if they just stopped constantly referring to it as "the route to F1" it would help.
 
Skeeter said:
Is winning GP2 litterally the worst thing an aspiring F1 driver can do now?
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GP2 followed on from F3000 and that was never the greatest 'feeder' series for aspiring F1 drivers; drivers such as Button and Kimi skipped right past it en route to a F1 seat.

A few 'silly' season ideas from me:

Alonso to Williams - Felipe, Fernando is quicker than you, do you understand? :D
Kimi to be dropped by Ferrari
Vettel to Ferrari - done deal in all but name
Button to Ferrari

What a mess! :D
 
Skeeter said:
To be honest, if they just stopped constantly referring to it as "the route to F1" it would help.
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There's no fully integrated and supported path to F1, that's the problem. That's why Robin Frijns is unemployed despite winning three consecutive championships in Europe from 2010-12.
 
I really feel for Button. I like him as a driver and character. I think McLaren aren treating him like crap. Would love to see him join another team. However I can't see that happening.

He'll be a great loss to the lineup.
 
Merc 1: Hamilton
Merc 2: Alonso
Red Bull 1: Ricardo
Red Bull 2: Kvyat
Ferrari 1: Vettle
Ferrari 2: Grosjean
McLaren 1: Button
McLaren 2: Rosberg
Lotus 1: kobayashi*
Lotus 2: Maldonardo
Williams 1: Bottas
Williams 2: Massa
Sauber 1: Ericson
Sauber 2: Nsar
F India 1: Perez
F India 2: Hulk
Torro Rosso 1: Verstappen
Torro Rosso 2: ?????


* would be hilarious
 
Eric Boullier was interviewed earlier and said that they're 'looking towards the future' for the next 2,4,6 years which is why it's taking so long to sort out the drivers. Sadly that doesn't sound like good news for JB does it.
 
dannyjo22 said:
No the people are too, anyone with any personality get's it knocked or sucked out of them. Certainly since the senna days. Grey corporate PR team lacking any personality. It's the John Major of the grid. I don't have high hopes that will change with Honda. Unless Honda have changed their way of working since the BAR days. They were soulless drones too wandering the pitlane.

Drivers get a lease of life and personality once they cut loose from there. They actually get to speak their minds.
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So, how long have you been a McLaren fan?
 
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Only the top 10 get prize money. The only thing that changes is Caterham will get Marussias share.

Unless Caterham go bust too, in which case the other teams will get more.
 
MissChief said:
Which also means their 'winnings' are shared between every other team. It's sad that other teams can almost force small teams out of business and then profit from it. :(
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The money available to small teams is known when entering, they choose to enter, and they get in this situation by choosing to spend more than they have. Get a better marketing type guys and get better sponsorship deals, get better engineers and have a faster guy. Having a big team and overspending while producing a crap car is their choice also.

Sports teams chase improvement, it costs money(regardless of sport), many gamble on spending more than they have in the hope of getting more to pay off that extra.... a huge number of teams making that gamble fail.

They are in debt due to spending more than they had, that is completely separate to IF they should have more money to spend for the sport to be a bit fairer. These are separate issues. Marussia have ordered parts and borrowed money, making promises, they owe lots of people lots of money. Those people are the ones getting screwed, not Marussia. They brought this on themselves through their own choices and I have precisely no sympathy.

If they made a totally crappy car with the money they did have, or ran out of money(but weren't in debt) and literally couldn't afford another engine I would have sympathy, that would all the result of a less than equal split of the money. But getting into debt is quite simply spending more than you have, no one is to blame for that but them.

No one forced them out they forced themselves into the sport and did badly, then overspent trying to do better which they didn't achieve. They were uncompetitive and badly managed. Why should the sport be set up that if a company pays I don't know, a £50mil entrance fee, they get the same as a team that has been there for a decade?

In football many teams overspend to get into the prem or stay in the prem and fail, other teams take that extra money from promotion and spend it wisely, turning a profit or at least not making a loss. How teams spend the money they have is up to them, if they choose to spend more than they have, they have no one else to blame. It's not like F1 promised them £50mil and then only gave them £10mil, that would be a completely different situation.
 
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