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Why do drivers STILL want to go to Ferrari? They haven't been good in a long til now. It will be interesting to see how he gets on.
F1 2015 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!
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One thing is a beatable team mate
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Lots of inevitable chatter on the comments sections of the various F1 sites. One in particular that keeps cropping up is Alonso to Lotus; why on earth would he do that?!
Alonso wants to win another championship, but he's running out of time so who could provide him with that? Mercedes seems like the best choice, but they've already got two drivers that are able to win, so why sign Alonso (for presumably a large pay-cheque).
Button is tricky. Do Honda want to have an experienced driver that they have history with to partner Alonso? Apparently Honda want a long term driver line up, but neither of those drivers are what you'd call 'young'. Button surely only has one or two years left in F1, which leaves Alonso at 33 where exactly?
Hmm, interesting times.
Alonso wants to win another championship, but he's running out of time so who could provide him with that? Mercedes seems like the best choice, but they've already got two drivers that are able to win, so why sign Alonso (for presumably a large pay-cheque).
Button is tricky. Do Honda want to have an experienced driver that they have history with to partner Alonso? Apparently Honda want a long term driver line up, but neither of those drivers are what you'd call 'young'. Button surely only has one or two years left in F1, which leaves Alonso at 33 where exactly?
Hmm, interesting times.
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I'm annoyed that ferrari never gave him the car he deserved and understand why he is leaving, it's all a mess really. Oh well it's going to be hard supporting vettel...it really is.
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The problem is that if the car is more stable and to kimi's liking, he won't be as big a push over as this season.
Alonso will definitely end up a McLaren. Despite what went down before they are his boyhood dream team.
I still think RG and FA would make a great pair
Coincidently.. It would also be the team I would pick for a dream team. Honda power, and my two favourite drivers
There are plenty of good young but not fresh drivers
Bianchi is another choice (if he isn't tied somewhere)
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So many people saying he is old and past it, well if that's true you would think more of these young pretenders that came in would actually be destroying him. Yet they are not. He might be well past his best, doesn't say much for the drivers that keep getting paired with him.
Mclaren would be mental to get rid of him to keep KM, if they have hired Alonso.
If Alonso is a free agent, Mercedes should hire him not Mclaren. You don't let the best driver go to a rival.
I've been saying this for over a year now - Alonso has to move.
Best driver in F1, hasnt won a title for many years - makes no sense.
Ferrari are going nowhere.
He is McLaren bound.
My worry for McLaren is that they are getting an engine with no testing.
If they switched to Merc engine for 2015, I actually think that Alonso could win the title next year.
Some people have stated that Honda have been working on their engine for years and that their lack of on-track testing won't be a problem, but having watched F1 for decades, I know that on-track testing is invaluable and that it rarely happens that a new engine supplier comes in at the front.
My understanding is that McLaren have decided that they want to win, now. Alonso will get pretty much whatever he wants (contractually) and preferential treatment. This is something he didnt get in 2007 and the ambiguity created a huge problem.
The target will most likely be:
2015 - development year
2016 (and onwards) - championship year
For this to work, Alonso will need to be outright No.1, with no competition from his team-mate. I think K.Magnusson will be perfect with Alonso, so Button is most likely retiring.
This will be Alonso's last move before he retires, so this relationship must work. Failure simply isnt an option for Honda, McLaren or Alonso.
Best driver in F1, hasnt won a title for many years - makes no sense.
Ferrari are going nowhere.
He is McLaren bound.
My worry for McLaren is that they are getting an engine with no testing.
If they switched to Merc engine for 2015, I actually think that Alonso could win the title next year.
Some people have stated that Honda have been working on their engine for years and that their lack of on-track testing won't be a problem, but having watched F1 for decades, I know that on-track testing is invaluable and that it rarely happens that a new engine supplier comes in at the front.
My understanding is that McLaren have decided that they want to win, now. Alonso will get pretty much whatever he wants (contractually) and preferential treatment. This is something he didnt get in 2007 and the ambiguity created a huge problem.
The target will most likely be:
2015 - development year
2016 (and onwards) - championship year
For this to work, Alonso will need to be outright No.1, with no competition from his team-mate. I think K.Magnusson will be perfect with Alonso, so Button is most likely retiring.
This will be Alonso's last move before he retires, so this relationship must work. Failure simply isnt an option for Honda, McLaren or Alonso.
Why would you need Button when you have Alonso?
Also, I suspect that Alonso will have a say who he drives with.
He will not be making the same mistakes as he did in 2007.
When he signs the contract, he will ensure that he gets preferential treatment in every way possible. McLaren are desperate. They want to win. They want the best driver in F1. Honda are pressurising McLaren to hire a top driver and as such Alonso will pretty much get to write his own terms.
If they get Alonso, which driver would they sack?
As long as Merc have the best car package in 2015 (which they probably will), they will feel comfortable with their current drivers.
McLaren won't have the best package, hence, they need the best driver to compete with Merc.
In the last few years, its been shown that Alonso is the only driver in F1 who can drive a slower car and compete with the fastest car. No other driver has been able to do this and McLaren know it.
Yeah that's right every other year they decided not to.
Elaborate.
Why hire Hamilton if you have Rosberg. Might as well save 20m per year and hire Davidson? The end result would still have been the same, a drivers title.
Soldato
Except teams couldn't give a stuff about the drivers title. It's the constructors title that matters to them.
Soldato
if Caterham, Lotus and Sauber fail to get the funds for next year, maybe teams will have 3 cars which would make driver market very interesting. seeing as Mercedes are so dominant - why not. rather see a 3 men chase to the title than the current 2
Alonso and Hamilton @ Mercedes would be a great soap opera
my 2 cents
PS RIP Vergne, he really got the shaft imo, esp when we see how good Ricciardo has done with RBR, and we are left with lame drivers like Guttierez, etc...
Alonso and Hamilton @ Mercedes would be a great soap opera
my 2 cents
PS RIP Vergne, he really got the shaft imo, esp when we see how good Ricciardo has done with RBR, and we are left with lame drivers like Guttierez, etc...
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So many(well lets be honest, two) people keep ignoring that Button's opponents are ROOKIE'S they are expected to do less well, the question is how much less well. Perez had a LOT of bad luck, exploding tires and other problems, he's also not the best qualifier and was in a new unfamiliar car but he improved over the year, beat Button in the last four races in a row in qualifying IIRC, and was a little timid in the first few races, worried about braking the car or crashing, when he was given a little shove to try harder and he went out and outraced Button very well.
Everyone expects Magnussen to lose to Button, but Magnussen has spanked Button in qualifying and shown many good moves out on track. Button has zero potential, Magnussen has loads, you're guessing where Magnussen will be in 2-3 years time to judge how good he is, not how good he is right this second.
He's also had one penalty that was absolutely ridiculous and never should have been given, one that again cost him points while giving Button more points.
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Apart from, you know, consistently scoring points for the team (and more than his team-mate over the past few years) and not crashing. The team principals must hate that.
Nice balanced view you have on this.
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Well done, you completely misunderstood the word potential.
Here's the definition for you
You're saying I'm biased because Button does have the capacity to develop into something in the future. You think he'll get significantly better in the future, wow, nice balanced view you have on this.
EDIT:- Ronaldo is the best footballer around at this moment, Messi is pretty much equal, neither have any potential left. They are 27-29 in age and have huge amounts of experience, they are at their peak if not potentially just past it, neither is expected by anyone to find a new gear and suddenly get even better. In comparison a player like Januzaj isn't remotely as good as those two, but he has a lot more potential than either of them, because he's 18-19years old and it is expected he'll improve, how much who knows, hence potential. He shows a lot of talent and ability compared to other players of the similar age and most great drivers/footballers/athletes in general improve from say 10 to maybe 24-25 years old when they are at their peak in most sports(not all). Potential is about untapped ability they might develop in the future.
Old athletes in any sport have little to no potential because they have gone as far as they are going to go, no potential doesn't in any way suggest someone is or isn't good, just that they have little to no chance of improving further.
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Iconic team and they will get back to winning. It's a lot of peoples child hood dreams as well. Plus Riccardo forcing him out.