F1 2015 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!

Vettel could spend 10 years at Ferrari. Look at what the last German to spend a decade at Ferrari did? And they were underperforming when he joined...
 
Things change top teams always get back to winning.

I just think Honda have a better chance. These are the engines they love and they won't be coming back to the sport with out massive investment. They were hurt badly last time.

I don't think Button has much of a say, it all depends on management. If they think KM will improve, or if he's had his chance and been found lacking.
 
Now the stick i got yesterday from breaking the news first about vet to ferrari from skeeter etc. and alonso to mclaren looks a bit.uncalled for doesnt it? :)

Ive already said btw... Alonso signed for Mclaren last week and will be on €35m a year. I only ever said these two were definite. I have reputable confirmed sources. Didnt see kvyat going to rb though but it makes sense from their perspective.

And yeah, i dont feel confident button will be staying at Macca but I think he will be driving for someone next year. Permutations will be in full swing tomorrow when alonso will be announced as mclaren driver for 2015 onwards.
 
Because of the Vettel (and Alonso) news I'm going to call it now :)

McLaren will be Alonso with Magnussen and Button will retire from Formula 1 and go into Super Formula (or similar) with Honda in Japan :)

Read JB's interview on f1 site and you'll see my logic :)
 
dannyjo22 said:
So many people saying he is old and past it, well if that's true you would think more of these young pretenders that came in would actually be destroying him. Yet they are not. He might be well past his best, doesn't say much for the drivers that keep getting paired with him.

Mclaren would be mental to get rid of him to keep KM, if they have hired Alonso.

If Alonso is a free agent, Mercedes should hire him not Mclaren. You don't let the best driver go to a rival.
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I didn't say Button was old and past it. :confused:

I'm a Button fan and just being realistic in that I can't see McLaren retaining him now that Alonso looks like he's on his way there and where else would he go?
 
Skeeter said:
Vettel could spend 10 years at Ferrari. Look at what the last German to spend a decade at Ferrari did? And they were underperforming when he joined...
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But Ferrari currently don't have a Todt/Brawn/Byrne partnership to bring Ferrari back to winning ways. Schumacher built Ferrari around him and that's why they had great success. The question is can Vettel do similar? Time will tell I guess.
 
lsg1r said:
Because of the Vettel (and Alonso) news I'm going to call it now :)

McLaren will be Alonso with Magnussen and Button will retire from Formula 1 and go into Super Formula (or similar) with Honda in Japan :)

Read JB's interview on f1 site and you'll see my logic :)
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Toyota and Nissan are at Le Mans, and Honda have built a Le Mans compatible engine... it seems impossible to think that Honda wont go to Le Mans, and if they do, they simply have to want Button there to head up their charge, don't they?
 
If he does retire, somehow I can't see it just yet, bit also can't see him going back to a midfield team.

Him at le mans, would give me a proper car to support.
 
Skeeter said:
Toyota and Nissan are at Le Mans, and Honda have built a Le Mans compatible engine... it seems impossible to think that Honda wont go to Le Mans, and if they do, they simply have to want Button there to head up their charge, don't they?
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JB might be able to do both depending on schedules, it's just the comment about this not being his last race in Japan that makes me think Super Formula, pretty big in Japan supposedly and it can't be that different as Lotterer came into F1 for a practice session/race iirc.

Like you I agree he would probably suit Le Mans, his smoother style of driving versus the all out sling it round a corner style of say Hamilton is actually an advantage for endurance racing.
 
His fitness would also be a massive asset to endurance racing.

If Honda are to go to Le Mans it won't be until 2016 at the earliest, but that by no means rules Button out.
 
As Ferrari have made so many changes this year, do we really expect them to keep Kimi? He's not well known for being a team-player (and by his own admission doesn't use the simulator).

Interesting thoughts about JB to move to Honda endurance. Have Honda made any noises about competing in that?

drunkenmaster said:
Well done, you completely misunderstood the word potential.

Here's the definition for you
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Yeah, thanks for the definition, in your post however, it's all about the context. Anyway, no one wants yet another thread to descend into the typical OCUK bicker-fest so I won't say anymore;)
 
englishpremier said:
Except teams couldn't give a stuff about the drivers title. It's the constructors title that matters to them.
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Exactly, you answered the question why they should go for Button over KM.

http://grandprixrankings.com/compare/2014-f1/button-versus-magnussen/

Again so many people on here have written him off as past it and past it for years, even before his 09 title. I agree he's past his best and hasn't been good in qfy since the start of 09, yet who ever he's raced with haven't bested him by much and for such a dreadful qualifier I'd expect those young guys to be doing better. Especially KM as JB has started from a new car and format as well.

Jenson is still getting the better of them on race day, until they can find a driver who can beat him consistently it's pointless binning him. Besides top teams should sign talent not potential. So many drivers have potential you could fill a book with potential that comes to nothing.

Skeeter said:
Vettel could spend 10 years at Ferrari. Look at what the last German to spend a decade at Ferrari did? And they were underperforming when he joined...
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Surely you can see the difference between 95 Ferrari and 2014? Unlimited testing and money almost. They were running a car 7 days per week on their own track with a dedicated test team with rules that didn't have them locked down in engine development or electronic/ECU shenanigans. They also had Bridgestone supplying them bespoke tyres for only them and according to EI only MS had the top grade. When does the engine freeze come about?

An under performing ferrari in 96 was much easier to turn around than 2014, especially when like Mclaren and Red Bull they can't just change engine supplier :D
 
what about Vettel and Alonso @ McLaren? Ferrari may be iconic but they don't look like they are closing the gap, perhaps Honda may be a risk but it may be a better bet. above all drivers want to win before driving @ Ferrari

Newey @ McLaren in 2016?
 
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Newey only just signed a new contract with Red bull this summer and I think the only team he would go to is Ferrari and he's been everywhere else haha, Unless he doesnt want to leave England but I'm sure Ferrari would let him work he if it went working for them.
 
robbiemc said:
Interesting thoughts about JB to move to Honda endurance. Have Honda made any noises about competing in that?
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No, but in a nation that considers pride so highly, can you really see them letting the other 2 main Japanese car makers go to Le Mans without them? Especially when they have already got the engine?

dannyjo22 said:
Surely you can see the difference between 95 Ferrari and 2014?
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Of course, its a different time. But this 'dream team' that people hark on about at Ferrari still took 5 years before winning a title.
Alonso has a limited time left in F1, and I think most people (including Ferrari themselves) will admit that Ferrari aren't going to be dominating the sport again within that time. However, Vettels time in F1 has much longer to run, so I can fully understand why he might want to get onboard with them for the long haul, and be part of the resurgence. If things aren't looking up in another 5 years then he still has time to try elsewhere. Alonso doesn't have the time to wait any longer.
 
robbiemc said:
Yeah, thanks for the definition, in your post however, it's all about the context. Anyway, no one wants yet another thread to descend into the typical OCUK bicker-fest so I won't say anymore;)
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Definitions don't change the context but the context was clear as day. I was referring to Magnussen/Perez as having potential because they are inexperienced and young and Button as having no potential.

You could have said, opps, wrong, I apologise and misunderstood, instead you tried to make out you were still somehow right, you weren't.

My entire post was talking about the point of comparing a rookie to an experienced driver is making a judgement about where the younger driver still with potential to show will be a few years later there is absolutely no possible way the context could be misinterpreted.
 
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