F1 2015 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!

MagicBoy said:
Wall of text much?

I'll say TL;DR and follow up with this
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Where is the wall of text exactly? I saw a few paragraphs but I wouldn't say for a second you could label it as a wall of text... Guess you were just trying to be irreverent and cool right?

Also, why do people say TL;DR (as an attempted insult I guess?) when they have actually read the post... If the post was indeed too long to read you would have no idea what it said; for all you know the author could have been conceding the point and agreeing you were 100% right... Thus rendering the need for further counter points more or less moot.

Oh... let me guess, you actually did read the post right?

Anyway... better shut up else I get TL;DR! thrown at me!
 
MagicBoy said:
Wall of text much?

I'll say TL;DR and follow up with this - Prodromou previously worked at McLaren from 1991-2005 then moved to Red Bull with Newey. He's not some wet behind the ears newbie.

F1 cars stopped being single designer creations in the very early 90s. With Newey having left F1 for the time being, it's time for the rest of his team to spread their wings.
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I didn't say he was a newbie but this "he was there and the RBR was great thus Mclaren have a top guy" concept is wishful thinking. We don't know how much responsibility he had, we don't know if his idea's were great or if he can help push a new car into working with a new aero design on his own.

He might be great, he may have been the weak link, assuming Mclaren will improve aero significantly is as silly as assuming the Honda will be brilliant next year... both are possibilities but there is no obvious sign that either are particularly likely.

Mclaren's big concepts in the past two years have failed pretty miserably and expecting one guy to turn it around himself is asking a lot and we really have no idea how good that single guy is to begin with.
 
rubberduck said:
Where is the wall of text exactly? I saw a few paragraphs but I wouldn't say for a second you could label it as a wall of text... Guess you were just trying to be irreverent and cool right?

Also, why do people say TL;DR (as an attempted insult I guess?) when they have actually read the post... If the post was indeed too long to read you would have no idea what it said; for all you know the author could have been conceding the point and agreeing you were 100% right... Thus rendering the need for further counter points more or less moot.

Oh... let me guess, you actually did read the post right?

Anyway... better shut up else I get TL;DR! thrown at me!
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Nah, you get one of these.

SP;GB. :D

Now that's out of the way, I confess I skimmed over DM's post in about 3 seconds, at which point my head hurt so I did what any self respecting F1 fan does on OcUK and keyboard warriored out a reply. ;)

It seemed enormous at the time, I was forum skimming on an old PowerBook with a low-res screen I've been messing around with! Not so much on the MacBook I'm using now.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Mclaren's big concepts in the past two years have failed pretty miserably and expecting one guy to turn it around himself is asking a lot and we really have no idea how good that single guy is to begin with.
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You could argue the same about Adrian Newey. His radical 1990 car for Leyton House looked like a right stinker. An issue was discovered with the wind tunnel they were using and shortly after the aero was redesigned and the car vaulted up the order in France the team fired him. Williams took a chance on him ... and he never looked back.

I'm more a glass half full kinda guy when it comes to F1.
 
drunkenmaster said:
We don't know how much responsibility he had
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The briefest of Google searches tells me that he was head of the aerodynamics department at RBR. Now, I'm not sure how it works in your universe but in the one that I tend to find myself in most of the time the word 'head' in this context would imply that he had quite a bit of responsibility...;)
 
I love the way dm tries to make everything look bad - we don't know how much responsibility he had? Brilliant :D

Maybe "right hand man" to Adrian Newey might give you a clue ;)

Infact didn't he start working on the Mclaren around September / October time... when the car started getting significantly better...or was that just Jenson getting much better, if you look at Kevin's results they weren't any better than the rest of his season :D
 
I doubt it, but Button isn't 24x better than Magnussen either.

Buttons salary will be a legacy from Vodafone days. The team clearly don't have as much money now, no matter how hard they try to convince us they do.
 
McLaren have been pretty woeful aerodynamically for a couple of years now, didn't it all start with the spider exhaust.

The Honda engine may turn out OK, but I'm not expecting a miracle.

On the driver front, Alonso should be asking a lot of questions after that first test,
 
You can only fully exploit an engine and package you have complete control over. Customer Merc teams will always be at a slight disadvantage.
 
Slam62 said:
McLaren have been pretty woeful aerodynamically for a couple of years now, didn't it all start with the spider exhaust.

The Honda engine may turn out OK, but I'm not expecting a miracle.

On the driver front, Alonso should be asking a lot of questions after that first test,
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LOL. It was a shakedown test. Everyone is reading too much into it.

The definition of a bad test was Red Bull in pre-season at Jerez. 11 laps in three days with multiple failures and fires, after which they took their bat home with only 6 weeks until they had to grid up in Australia.
 
11 laps in 3 days is a bad test, but 5 laps in 2 days isn't?

Ok.... :confused:

(the shakedown test was Silverstone, where they managed a lot more than 5 laps :p)
 
MagicBoy said:
LOL. It was a shakedown test. Everyone is reading too much into it.

The definition of a bad test was Red Bull in pre-season at Jerez. 11 laps in three days with multiple failures and fires, after which they took their bat home with only 6 weeks until they had to grid up in Australia.
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Sorry, but they will wish they saved the money and hadn't gone, they won't have learned anything from that test, apart from that the engine in that configuration didn't work, they could have learned a lot more running new aero and testing the new tyres.

Honda won't be very happy either, I'm sure it will be rocket ship in Feb.
 
Slam62 said:
Sorry, but they will wish they saved the money and hadn't gone, they won't have learned anything from that test, apart from that the engine in that configuration didn't work, they could have learned a lot more running new aero and testing the new tyres.

Honda won't be very happy either, I'm sure it will be rocket ship in Feb.
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They were already there!
 
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