F1 Testing 2010


Very interesting.

I wonder why Hamilton (1872KM) is getting so much of the testing mileage, compared with Button (992KM).

Button needs all the practise time in the car he can get, but it seems that McLaren are doing all they can to ensure that Hamilton starts the season with as big an advantage as possible.
 
Very interesting.

I wonder why Hamilton (1872KM) is getting so much of the testing mileage, compared with Button (992KM).

Button needs all the practise time in the car he can get, but it seems that McLaren are doing all they can to ensure that Hamilton starts the season with as big an advantage as possible.

Load of rubbish, most of the teams have assigned one driver to start a week of testing and the second finishing. Button will be testing for the next two days, Hamilton won't.

Vettel for example has done 69% of testing so far for Red Bull, similarly Webber is doing the next two days and Vettel isn't.

That's before even taking into account any lost time on track for some of the drivers due to technical issues/offs/weather or whatever.
 
Hmmm. So you think that Button will be doing approximately 900KM in the next 2 days of testing?

Circuit length of 4.4km
As long as the weather remains stable, everything holds up and people stay on the track - entirely possible as other teams have been doing over 100 laps in a day.

Valencia:
Day 1: Parfitt - 86 laps
Day 2: Hamilton - 98 laps
Day 3: Button - 82 laps

Jerez - Test 1:
Day 1: Button - 68 laps
Day 2: Button - 83 laps
Day 3: Hamilton - 68 laps
Day 4: Hamilton - 113 laps

Jerez - Test 2:
Day 1: Hamilton - 72 laps
Day 2: Hamilton - 57 laps
Day 3: Button in car
Day 4: Button in car
 
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At the moment..

AlonsoFerrari 1m20.115s2
ButtonMcLaren 1m20.394s +0.2793
HulkenbergWilliams 1m21.432s +1.3174
WebberRed Bull 1m21.684s +1.5695
SchumacherMercedes 1m21.705s +1.5906
KubicaRenault 1m21.916s +1.8017
SutilForce India 1m22.485s +2.3708
AlguersuariToro Rosso 1m22.973s +2.8589
Di GrassiVirgin 1m24.573s +4.45810
KobayashiSauber 1m25.818s +5.70311
KovalainenLotus 1m26.033s +5.918

Buttons doing quite a few laps on low 21's at the moment
 
Day 3 results (added to OP)

Code:
[b]Pos  Driver        Team                   Time      Laps[/b]
 1.  Webber        Red Bull-Renault       1:19.299  115
 2.  Alonso        Ferrari                1:20.115  132
 3.  Button        McLaren-Mercedes       1:20.394  101
 4.  Hulkenberg    Williams-Cosworth      1:21.432  138
 5.  M.Schumacher  Mercedes GP            1:21.437   79
 6.  Kubica        Renault                1:21.916  100
 7.  Sutil         Force India-Mercedes   1:21.939   69
 8.  Kobayashi     BMW-Sauber             1:22.228   28
 9.  Alguersuari   Toro Rosso-Ferrari     1:22.564  120
10.  di Grassi     Virgin-Cosworth        1:23.504   34
11.  Kovalainen    Lotus-Cosworth         1:23.521   68


Some good mileage there from Hulkenberg and Alonso.

Final testing at Jerez tomorrow before moving to the last week of pre-testing at Circuit de Catalunya next week.
 
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Hmmm. So you think that Button will be doing approximately 900KM in the next 2 days of testing?

Certainly feasible, he did 101 laps today which is already half of the deficit. To put that into perspective some drivers did 130-140 laps today.

If he does similar mileage tomorrow he will equalled Hamilton's mileage so far.
 
The RedBulls are looking good. 2/3 days, they have topped the charts. And what was impressive today was that when Webber wanted to, he was able to go significantly faster than the rest.
 
Day 3 results (added to OP)

Code:
[b]Pos  Driver        Team                   Time      Laps[/b]
 1.  Webber        Red Bull-Renault       1:19.299  115
 2.  Alonso        Ferrari                1:20.115  132
 3.  Button        McLaren-Mercedes       1:20.394  101
 4.  Hulkenberg    Williams-Cosworth      1:21.432  138
 5.  M.Schumacher  Mercedes GP            1:21.437   79
 6.  Kubica        Renault                1:21.916  100
 7.  Sutil         Force India-Mercedes   1:21.939   69
 8.  Kobayashi     BMW-Sauber             1:22.228   28
 9.  Alguersuari   Toro Rosso-Ferrari     1:22.564  120
10.  di Grassi     Virgin-Cosworth        1:23.504   34
11.  Kovalainen    Lotus-Cosworth         1:23.521   68


Some good mileage there from Hulkenberg and Alonso.

Final testing at Jerez tomorrow before moving to the last week of pre-testing at Circuit de Catalunya next week.

The sector times were interesting, Button was very fast through sector 1 and 2 most of the day but seemed to struggle in 3. Looks like the usual suspects are getting it together.
 
CSl, are RedBull happy with the performances so far of the RedBull car?

Vettel and Webber have both shown that the car you have produced is pretty decent and able to take on the Ferrari and McLaren cars.
 
Yep, they always seem to be up there, no matter which track they visit. Alonso must be drooling at the prospect of driving a competitive car for the first time in a long time.
 
Why is that then? Are they afraid that when the opposition see just how fast they really are going, they will try harder? I think not.

In general, if you are fast during pre-season testing, you are fast in the first few races of the season. We've seen this pattern virtually every single year, for as long as I can remember.

At some stage during the test all teams (including Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull), have to run with low fuel and optimised setups to see just how fast they can go. This is part of the testing program.

If teams decide to run slow on purpose or only run the car using a slow setup/high fuel load, then they run into the danger of having a car whose performance is totally unknown, in qualifying trim, come the first race of the season.

Hiding the performance of your own car, goes against the very fundamentals of testing, as you will end up with a car which hasn't been extensively tested (as the team tries to hide the true performance of the car).

All teams generally run the car for fastest times with next to no fuel in at the last test once they have gathered all the data for the long run/tyre wear etc as seen by this weeks testing. It has been the case for years. None of the top teams like to reveal their outright pace straight away as it shows exactly where their car is at. With no fuel in the car, with the car set up for fast laps, it is very easy for the rivals to calculate the true speed. The longer they can cover it up the more it keeps the others guessing. This has always been the case & is exactly why when new bits are added to the cars the top teams try & cover them up as long as possible. It's all about preserving your advantages.

The top teams will have a general idea of the relative performance of their own car before they hit the track anyway as it is all predicted via simulators as the car is being built. Thats why the teams with most money are usually at the top. Obviously they need the track time to perfect the car/strategies/errors that the simulators have missed before the first race & ultimately sometimes they do get things massively wrong i.e McLaren last year.

The only exception to this is the small teams who run light from the first test as it is easier to obtain sponsorship this way.
 
Finally, someone who is willing to put forth a well thought out argument for "hiding a car's true performance".

All teams generally run the car for fastest times with next to no fuel in at the last test once they have gathered all the data for the long run/tyre wear etc as seen by this weeks testing. It has been the case for years.

I would dispute this. My belief is that all teams will run their cars are varying fuel loads and setups. At some point they will run with a super heavy car. And at some point they will run their car with an ultra light fuel load. I'm not sure that the light fuel load is always done at the final test.

None of the top teams like to reveal their outright pace straight away as it shows exactly where their car is at. With no fuel in the car, with the car set up for fast laps, it is very easy for the rivals to calculate the true speed. The longer they can cover it up the more it keeps the others guessing.

What advantage would the other teams get if they realise that the McLaren, say, is 1s/lap faster than they are? There isnt anything they can do about it, unless you are suggesting that rival teams are holding back on purpose and if they see the McLaren going 1s/lap faster than their own car, they will suddenly release a "secret" part which they were originally holding back (on purpose), so that they don't get beaten so badly.

At all times, teams are looking to make their car go as fast as possible and working their hardest to make this happen. Seeing a McLaren go 1s/lap faster than a Ferrari say, will not make Ferrari suddenly go faster or work harder.

For the above reason, my belief is that it doesnt make any difference if McLaren (or any other team), shows their true pace. In fact, it is in the best interest of any given team, to carry out their tests/laps, without attempting to hide their performance, as it is quite possibe that this strategy will hinder their own development.

This has always been the case & is exactly why when new bits are added to the cars the top teams try & cover them up as long as possible. It's all about preserving your advantages.

This is the only paragraph I agree with, for the following reason.

When new pieces are added, teams will do their best to hide them from the other teams. The reason for this is that if other teams see a team like McLaren, say, using this new part, and it gives McLaren a 1s/lap advantage, then the other teams will investigate this new part and begin developing it, themselves. We saw this last year with the double diffuser. It is therefore in the interests of McLaren (or any other team), to hide the "secret" parts from their competitors.
 
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