F1 Testing 2010
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I hate stats like this in f1 the variables are too many to make them anything like accurate.
You are comparing the stats of one car over one season compared to another over 2 seasons. The 91 car had more issues than the 92 by a long way and mansell made far more mistakes. I'd say the 91 stats pull the % down too much to make it a fair comparison. After all the 92 and 96 cars where championship winning cars, the 91 car wasn't.
The 96 williams was nowhere near as far ahead of the rivals as the 92 williams. That was some machine.
Not only that it doesn't take into account the drivers, Villeneuve was a far stronger no2 than Patrese and more likely to pick up wins when the lead driver failed. They raced each other to the wire, where as Mansell got his championship by hungary and then didn't try quite as hard imo.
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Alright then danny.
1991 - FW14 - 7 wins
1992 - FW14B - 10 wins
1993 - FW15C - 10 wins
1996 - FW18 - 12 wins
If you want to split the seasons, that's how it stacks up.
As for the FW18 relative to its rivals - it was pretty far ahead all told. The Benetton was not a great car, the Ferrari was a complete dog elevated only by a certain German behind the wheel, the McLaren was a tricky beast until they changed the wheelbase....
The driver situation....eh. JV was in his first year in F1 with the FW18, Patrese was an experienced hand. They both had strengths and weaknesses as number 2 drivers.
Now break it down further to compare the numbers of driver errors that lost wins and mechanical failures, which stats like those never show.
Not that I'm dismissing you as wrong, but hand on heart if you was getting one shot as a world champion which car would you pick to do it in?
The 92 williams, 2 seconds faster than the pack or the 96 williams?
Both were pretty reliable but I would say I'd go for the 92 williams such a truely
dominant car compared to those around it.
Such a great looking racing car too and thats from someone who hates too many gadgets on f1 cars
Not that I'm dismissing you as wrong, but hand on heart if you was getting one shot as a world champion which car would you pick to do it in?
The 92 williams, 2 seconds faster than the pack or the 96 williams?
Both were pretty reliable but I would say I'd go for the 92 williams such a truely
dominant car compared to those around it.
Such a great looking racing car too and thats from someone who hates too many gadgets on f1 cars
Like I said:
Doesn't disguise the fact that the 14B was an overweight design due to being originally a passive suspension car, or the fact that the 15C was a wee bit nervous at the limit. Beautifully engineered cars though, and I honestly think the sport hasn't been as good since their like was banned.
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Doesn't disguise the fact that the 14B was an overweight design due to being originally a passive suspension car, or the fact that the 15C was a wee bit nervous at the limit. Beautifully engineered cars though, and I honestly think the sport hasn't been as good since their like was banned.
Right, so the chap who thinks he is regarded as the best driver in the field, paired with the car which ferrari universally acknowledged as the quickest(except Buttons 1m18.871s lap ) and most reliable (so far), may or may not to get on the podium...
Keep up the good work
I put that right for you
And of course teflonso ALWAYS tells the truth the whole truth and nothing but
He's getting quite good at it now - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81623
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Nice to see Davidson got a ride sorted out for 2010
That's not your opinion, that's what you want.
Christ I can't wait for us to stuff you to wipe that smug grin off your face.
Indeed. Wurz, Gene & Davidson is a pretty decent line up, just a shame that Peugeot will be hampered by the ACO insisting they run aircon while giving them the same restrictor plates as the Audis (which don't need aircon because they're open). So much for the French looking after their ownNice to see Davidson got a ride sorted out for 2010
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Either the FW14B or FW15c.
Mansell (driving the FW14B), 2.7s faster in qualifying than the next non-Williams car, in the dry, with no unfair advantage or extraordinary occurrances. His pace over his rivals, was genuine.
This sort of performance advantage over the rest of the field (including Senna who was/is arguably the fastest qualifier in the history of F1), simply cannot be matched.
In 1996, from what I remember, when Hill would fall over, Villieneuve would be there to pick up the pieces and although it was his first season in F1, it was one of JV's best season's in F1, ever.
The FW14B and FW15C were so good, that the superiority of the car literally had Senna salivating at the mouth, who, while still under contract with McLaren, publicly stated that he would drive for Williams in 1993, for free. This sort of thing hasnt happened since.
FW14B/FW15C all the way.
Would you really class Alonso's 2005 championship as beating Schumacher who was saddled with an extremely uncompetitive Ferrari. Alonso's true rival that year was Kimi.
Right, so the chap who is widely regarded as the best driver in the field, paired with the car which has been universally acknowledged as the quickest and most reliable (so far), aren't going to get on the podium...
Keep up the good work Nostradamus
Not doubting that Ferrari won't make the podium but is Alonso really the best in the field now that Schumi is back in a car?
Alonso & Schumacher are in a different league to every other driver on the grid in terms of being able to develop a car. They are by far the two most complete drivers.
Others are as quick if not quicker but it's not just about having raw speed.
Others are as quick if not quicker but it's not just about having raw speed.
The Renault last year developed superbly didn't it?
Also - how can they develop the car if they're not allowed to test?
The only team that made huge leaps forward last year were McLaren - and thats because they had to.
The Renault last year developed superbly didn't it?
Also - how can they develop the car if they're not allowed to test?
The only team that made huge leaps forward last year were McLaren - and thats because they had to.
You have to remember that Renault would have known Alonso was leaving so the team will stop giving him technical information which he can possibly take to a rival team. Obviously if the car has little potential to be developed then there is only so much that can be done with it as well.
They can develop a car by giving the team feedback, thats what they do in testing & also during races. The difference with Alonso & Schumacher is that they help the engineers by by identifying the problem & get stuck in with rectiying it. After all the engineers only have the drivers input to go by. These two pull the team around them which helps the team pull in one direction during the seaon. Hamilton is getting like that with the McLaren too.
The main reason McLaren made such a huge gain last season was because the car had a lot of potential but had one major flaw in that air flow was stalling under the car causing sudden loss of grip mid corner. Once they identified & rectified this, the true potential of the car came out.
That would be fun.
I think it would be good fun
Hey Duke could you do a prediction thread for us all?(after the last testing)
Something in the lines of..
Who they think will be top at the end of the season i.e
Top 3 drivers\Teams and maybe who will be the dark horse of all the teams.
I think it would be good fun
Hey Duke could you do a prediction thread for us all?(after the last testing)
Something in the lines of..
Who they think will be top at the end of the season i.e
Top 3 drivers\Teams and maybe who will be the dark horse of all the teams.
Didn't we do that a few seasons ago? Or am I thinking of the football.. meh, either way, it'd be interesting to see how wrong most of us are at the end of the season