F1 Testing 2010

Flibster · 2 Feb 2010 at 16:54

Domo said:
I thought GPS would be more accurate.

GPS is only accurate to a meter or so, plus the speed of data refresh increases the error margin.

This they can log as quickly as they want. It also allows them to pick up various other factors. Like air pressure and temperature. That helps the engine chaps.

I'm also surprised that no-one has binned a car yet - it's not been that warm and there has apparently been ice about too.

utajoker · 2 Feb 2010 at 19:12

is there any news on if any of the teams have gone with KERS? i know it wasnt ban just agreed not to be used, but has anyone decided to go with it?

i hope mclaren have as hamilton was by far making the most of it.

Duke · 2 Feb 2010 at 19:20

Not heard anything, so expect none of them have. I don't see the new teams wanting the hassle of it just yet themselves.

I would like to see it back though.

JRS · 2 Feb 2010 at 19:27

Duke said:
I would like to see it back though.

I have a much better idea as far as energy recovery systems in F1 goes. One word - starts with "T", ends in "urbocharging".

arknor · 2 Feb 2010 at 19:29

JRS said:
I have a much better idea as far as energy recovery systems in F1 goes. One word - starts with "T", ends in "urbocharging".

probably be considered to "expensive" these days.

bring back v12 turbo's !!!!!

woods of hockenheim and spa + reverberating sounds of a fat v12 turbo = heaven

Glaucus · 2 Feb 2010 at 19:35

JRS said:
I have a much better idea as far as energy recovery systems in F1 goes. One word - starts with "T", ends in "urbocharging".

Should have both.

Should open up the rules for energy saving devices and keep cutting fuel tank size every 2 years. Say by 10%. End of the decade you would be using 50% less fuel and hopefully massive in roads in energy efficiency. Hopefully most of which could be used outside the sport.

philjohn · 2 Feb 2010 at 19:52

Spunkey said:
McLaren and their *super-diffuser*

I copyright that, so if anyone uses it this year they owe me, like, £5,000,000. Or a midget that can play banjo.

that diffuser is insane, definitely tried to extract the maximum they could - whether it will work as well as a smaller, more conventional DD remains to be seen.

NathanE · 2 Feb 2010 at 20:14

I don't know much about aerodynamics but that aero paint certainly looks like a serious amount of downforce is being generated. No gaps in it... unlike the Renault which has loads of gaps.

rpstewart · 2 Feb 2010 at 20:30

arknor said:
probably be considered to "expensive" these days.

bring back v12 turbo's !!!!!

woods of hockenheim and spa + reverberating sounds of a fat v12 turbo = heaven

Nobody raced a V12 turbo in F1, Alfa did a V8 but the rest were all V6s or straight 4s.

Porsche did some turbo'd flat 12 917s but the only turbo V12s I can think of outside of homologated GT cars are the diesel Audis & Peugeots.

dalin80 · 2 Feb 2010 at 20:34

philjohn said:
that diffuser is insane, definitely tried to extract the maximum they could - whether it will work as well as a smaller, more conventional DD remains to be seen.

wont really know until they hit a larger faster track.

Alibaba99 · 2 Feb 2010 at 20:44

Flibster said:
GPS is only accurate to a meter or so, plus the speed of data refresh increases the error margin.

This they can log as quickly as they want. It also allows them to pick up various other factors. Like air pressure and temperature. That helps the engine chaps.

I'm also surprised that no-one has binned a car yet - it's not been that warm and there has apparently been ice about too.

I surprised at the overall reliability of the cars. Some are quite radically (and presumably tightly) packaged, yet breakdowns have been few.

Unless this is Renaults plan. Take last years car, do nothing except stretch it, and then hope everyone else breaks.

Duke · 2 Feb 2010 at 21:36

NathanE said:
I don't know much about aerodynamics but that aero paint certainly looks like a serious amount of downforce is being generated. No gaps in it... unlike the Renault which has loads of gaps.

Shame we don't have Ron speak (tm) anymore, he would have explained how they have 'fullly optimised the 2010 car around extracting the most out of the diffuser design'.. or something

In other words 'right boys build us the biggest ******* diffuser ever!'

Alibaba99 · 2 Feb 2010 at 21:40

rpstewart said:
Nobody raced a V12 turbo in F1, Alfa did a V8 but the rest were all V6s or straight 4s.

Porsche did some turbo'd flat 12 917s but the only turbo V12s I can think of outside of homologated GT cars are the diesel Audis & Peugeots.

Technically the 917/30 used a 180° V12. Though the pistons were horizontally opposed the pin layout and firing order were that of a v engine.

Duke · 2 Feb 2010 at 21:50

Duke said:
Not heard anything, so expect none of them have. I don't see the new teams wanting the hassle of it just yet themselves.

I would like to see it back though.

On second thoughts... whilst adding a side photo of the Williams car to the launch thread, I did notice the large 'Williams Hybrid Power' logo on the side of their car....

..got flywheel?

Maniacfest · 2 Feb 2010 at 22:01

NathanE said:
I don't know much about aerodynamics but that aero paint certainly looks like a serious amount of downforce is being generated. No gaps in it... unlike the Renault which has loads of gaps.[/QUOTE]

Lewis looks like he has given those tyres the works. Wonder what the fire extinguisher is for?

NathanE · 2 Feb 2010 at 22:06

Interesting... looks like the Williams is running KERS then.

Duke · 2 Feb 2010 at 22:09

NathanE said:
Interesting... looks like the Williams is running KERS then.

I can't see why else it would be on there. They are the sort of team that wouldn't want to throw away the resources and money spent trying to get it working last year either...

rpstewart · 2 Feb 2010 at 22:17

The Williams KERS was something they were hoping to sell as a commercial product I believe.

Flibster · 2 Feb 2010 at 22:25

Just pimping one of the Williams Group.
http://www.williamshybridpower.com/

They bought Automotive Hybrid Power in early 2008 iirc.

Stormrider · 2 Feb 2010 at 23:35

arknor said:
probably be considered to "expensive" these days.

bring back v12 turbo's !!!!!

woods of hockenheim and spa + reverberating sounds of a fat v12 turbo = heaven

Wait 'till 2013 - possible turbo charged V6's on the cards