F1 Testing 2014: Week 1 Jerez
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Its annoying to not really get lap times with what tyres they were running with. At the moment, all I really know (from Autosport) is that Williams are only running the special Jerez Winter Hard compound.
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And here's the marussia:
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Haha... Despite not really liking Vetell I can't imagine how much hearing his 'WOOHHOO, YES BOYS, YES, WE DID IT! would wind some folk up if he won in such a way.
Interesting info on Mclaren's awesome rear suspension...
Importantly, McLaren have designed their rear suspension so that these rear wishbones are as much to the back as possible, attaching to the very rear of the gearbox housing. The them have therefore also been unable to combine the driveshaft with the lower wishbones like Red Bull and Ferrari have done. It is exactly this suspension geometry that would make it extremely hard for other teams to simply copy the design, as it would require redesigning the gearbox, the rear suspension mountings and the suspension wishbones, creating a combined impact on aerodynamics and mechanical behaviour that will take time to verify and optimise.
The actual name is still up for discussion as, according to Sam Michael, the team do not have a name themselves. Seen from the rear however, McLaren's very intriguing rear suspension appears to be similar to a butterfly, with the rear crash structure being the body and the four rear wishbones forming the wing elements.
Importantly, McLaren have designed their rear suspension so that these rear wishbones are as much to the back as possible, attaching to the very rear of the gearbox housing. The them have therefore also been unable to combine the driveshaft with the lower wishbones like Red Bull and Ferrari have done. It is exactly this suspension geometry that would make it extremely hard for other teams to simply copy the design, as it would require redesigning the gearbox, the rear suspension mountings and the suspension wishbones, creating a combined impact on aerodynamics and mechanical behaviour that will take time to verify and optimise.
The actual name is still up for discussion as, according to Sam Michael, the team do not have a name themselves. Seen from the rear however, McLaren's very intriguing rear suspension appears to be similar to a butterfly, with the rear crash structure being the body and the four rear wishbones forming the wing elements.
I said this on day one. Horner and newey have left the track and back to the drawing board
Has anyone got a link to an article speculating how the McLaren rear end works/what it does? The Sky one just says "hey this looks different".
I've found this so far: http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/0/1139.html
Edit: Autosport come through http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112341
I've found this so far: http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2014/0/1139.html
Edit: Autosport come through http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112341
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It would be ironic if, under Whitmarsh's direction, they produced a championship winning car then oust him just before the start of the season so he receives non of the credit.
I said this on day one. Horner and newey have left the track and back to the drawing board
you did indeed; good call.
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As yet before people talk about teams copying it, it's yet to be seen if it helps speed yet, or if Mclaren are remotely competitive. How many double drs/random new systems do we get that don't actually improve things, often make them worse, end up not being used, canned or replaced.
It's WAY too early, currently it's like "new, how will they all copy it", rather than "new... I wonder if it's any good yet".
Theory is nice, practice is another, Mclaren might suffer 5 DNF's in a row because the system weakens the back end of the car, who knows. It could be brilliant, it could cause numerous problems, it could be fairly easily replicated on some cars, some teams may have tried it and decided it didn't work well for them. Pretty much works that, if a car looks awesomely fast in testing and there is a clearly different part, teams will look into copying it. If a car is slow as crap, rarely do people look to copy the new idea's on it.. not always, new bits will probably be evaluated by teams as they get pics of them. A slow car may have a great idea but gain no benefit while a faster car it could make the difference.
Either way, Merc finally back out and Hamilton pushing the times down now. Going faster each time he goes out, better track types and medium tyres, but have they taken the limit off the car rev's and are starting to explore what it can do?
also, I thought this was pretty hilarious/brilliant
Sticking a turbo on a snowmobile to get used to how a turbo kicks in the power... lol.
EDIT:- Sutil crash causing a red flag, no info on crash yet.
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He's done a fair amount of laps, not loads but wouldn't be a write off if he was done for the day. Says front wing and front left wheel missing. Not sure if that means literally front left wheel came off, or shunt and he's damaged the left front area meaning lots of work to fix.
Autosport are saying it looks like it may also be from a failure judging where the marks on track start, front wing failure like Merc maybe?
Track goes green again, hour left for Hamilton to do 30 laps or so to match Rosberg from yesterday, might do it as he seems to be doing faster runs and longer runs in general today.
Autosport are saying it looks like it may also be from a failure judging where the marks on track start, front wing failure like Merc maybe?
Track goes green again, hour left for Hamilton to do 30 laps or so to match Rosberg from yesterday, might do it as he seems to be doing faster runs and longer runs in general today.
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Everything is speculative at this stage that's true, but it's such a complex way to implement the design that if Mclaren have produced engineering brilliance it'll put them in very good stead indeed.
As I quoted earlier...
"It is exactly this suspension geometry that would make it extremely hard for other teams to simply copy the design, as it would require redesigning the gearbox, the rear suspension mountings and the suspension wishbones, creating a combined impact on aerodynamics and mechanical behaviour that will take time to verify and optimise. "
And at this point in time it looks like RBR have enough on their plate letalone trying to copy something like this if it works.
Then they have development routes that will have already been pre-planned.