Firstly, Arsenal fans calling for Wenger's head aren't doing so simply because they lost today. As for VDS, while he played well, I can't think of a save he made that you wouldn't expect a half decent keeper to make.
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Firstly, Arsenal fans calling for Wenger's head aren't doing so simply because they lost today. As for VDS, while he played well, I can't think of a save he made that you wouldn't expect a half decent keeper to make.
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SOrry but people do talk rubbish, lets list everything Wenger's getting right at the moment.... buying the right players, nope, playing beautiful all out attack he used to, nope, tactics, never, substitutions, nope, starting lineup, nope, formation, nope, correct rotation to prevent injuries, nope, stopping injured players from playing and getting worse, nope.
Sorry but what exactly is it, right now that Wenger is doing right?
We've got more strikers than Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, even City, we've got more midfielders than most clubs, we've got a lot of defenders, just a lot of the wrong defenders.
Theres very little Wenger's providing that most other managers in this league alone couldn't provide. One thing Wenger is utterly incapable of doing is motivating the players to win the big games. The way our players react to a win against a rubbish team involves Nasri, Theo, Djourou, Sagna, Denilson, Song all suddenly talking up their chances of a great season and how this is their year, after we lose its the same story from the same players, we'll learn from our mistakes, those lot all think they are at the top of their game after beating someone at the foot of the table and get carried away and utterly lazy.
Almost any manager would come in, look at Diaby in training, look at some game tape and ask him to go home and have his manager find him a new club, that would improves us dramatically right there in one move, then they'd see tape of Denilson him to sling his hook.
Who could replace the Wenger who took over Arsenal a decade ago, very very few, and probably none of them would have improved Arsenal. Who can improve Arsenal over the current way Wenger is managing the team, stand in the middle of any match today, put one hand over your eyes, stick your other arm out, spin around pointing your finger, stop when you feel sick, theres your better manager.
Wenger is getting EVERYTHING wrong at the moment, I think Arsenal have the single best squad, the best depth in the league, the worst medical staff and the stupidest manager.
Ancelloti dropped Drogba, and Malouda, and Ramires for games to try and change things, he tried a different formation, Fergie drops players, Arsenal just continues to play the same guys who cost us every big game for 4 years.
Thats the problem with Premiership football though, if you don't win a trophy year in year out then your deemed as a failure. Whats the choice for Arsenal fan's sack Wenger and take some dogs of war merchant on like Moyes.
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I can see it being Owen Coyle. Kind of strange feeling about that. Wenger likes the way he gets teams to play football. Bolton are looking quite good now. You can only imagine what would happen if he got the budget Arsenal have (or have not).
Johan Djourou out for the rest of the season.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/9423375.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/9423375.stm
bad times, hope he gets back soon.
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Thats the problem with Premiership football though, if you don't win a trophy year in year out then your deemed as a failure. Whats the choice for Arsenal fan's sack Wenger and take some dogs of war merchant on like Moyes.
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Yeah, Moyes is the only other option to Wenger, on the entire planet he's the only other manager, and no one could possibly be better than Wenger, again, explain to me what Wenger has got right this season for instance that makes him a good manager CURRENTLY.
As for trophies year in year out, lol, if we looked properly competitive, not just best of the rest, get semi close but always lose at the end that would be one thing, but every year we go out of every cup in exactly the same way, haven't had that winning mentality for 5 years, and that showed so massively in the CC final. The team has been going backwards for 5 years, thats not a good thing, in that time the squad has got generally weaker and his repeated attempts to patch up the defence have been laughable, Silvestre, don't forget Silvestre, the worst signing in the past decade in the league, apart from Jeffers of course.
Where does this absolutely rubbish idea come from that only Wenger could be doing as well as he is at Arsenal? ignore what happened YEARS AGO, tell me what he did brilliantly as a manager in the past 4-5 years that mean no other manager could do better..... nothing is your answer.
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Thats the problem with Premiership football though, if you don't win a trophy year in year out then your deemed as a failure. Whats the choice for Arsenal fan's sack Wenger and take some dogs of war merchant on like Moyes.
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Dangerous words, but you feel the team ought to, or should have won something by now considering the positions they have got themselves into over the last few years in all competitions. The killer for the fans (and reason for the empty cabinet) is largely down to their amazing consistency in self-destructing at the crucial stages or moments. The vast majority of people agree that Arsenal would be winning things if they fixed a few of their faults... and yet none of these faults seem to get addressed, which is why people get frustrated with Wenger.
It's unacceptable for a team that can beat Barcelona (at least at home!) to fail to turn up for a cup final against a team threatened with relegation and show less fight and desire than them, for example. Would Fergie or Ancelloti have just basically sat there and done nothing till late in the game? Would we then have put in such poor performances in the subsequent games having lifted a trophy (albeit the least important one)? Doubt it. All ifs and buts, obviously.
A couple of years ago we went out to United in the FA Cup whilst managing to play in such a way as we didn't even look particularly bothered. Today wasn't much better.
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That's not going to happen. Guss Hiddink said he was only going to manage international teams. But you never know in football he could change his mind.
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I'd take Jose if he really wants to leave Madrid at the end of the season. A sacrifice of some flair would be welcomed if it meant less howlers at the back, faffing about instead of shooting and cleaning out the dross. Wouldn't be popular with some fans for obvious reasons initially, but I'm sure they'd change their tune if it resulted in trophies.
The problem with Arsenal is no different to the problems at United. Lack of leaders and a lack of winners. When Utd were dominating all and sundy you had a back bone of winners from Schmeichel---->Bruce---->Keane & Ince---->Hughes that carried players like Giggs, Scholes etc.
At Arsenal they had Seaman---->Famous back 4 ---->Petit/Vieira---->Henry
All winners and leaders in there own way, yet at Arsenal they seem to have transistioned the team so quickly not to include any natural experienced leaders to carry the team when they need it
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Almunia kept United out today too. How many of Arsenal's shots on target came from 20+ yards? I'd say United had as many, if not more, great chances as Arsenal and took two of them.
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Jose at Arsenal might be a good thing if he can bring in some of his own players.
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Bring Diarra back, miles better than Song.
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Valencia looked very positive on his return. Brings some strength and pace to the position which is always good.
Was dissapointed that Hernandez didnt grab a goal today, he could have smuggled one in near then end too:/
Was dissapointed that Hernandez didnt grab a goal today, he could have smuggled one in near then end too:/
Ugh I hate late kick offs, 8:30pm I got home and I live like 7 miles away.
Gobsmacked at hearing the starting lineup as I were getting a brew
but I thought the twins did well, not sure what they'd do and Arsenal didn't seem to know how to stop them running in...Still, Arsenal had more than enough chances but VDS again in top form!
Such a cheer/delight to see Valencia warming up and when he came on it looked like he'd never been injured/missing for so long.
Gobsmacked at hearing the starting lineup as I were getting a brew
but I thought the twins did well, not sure what they'd do and Arsenal didn't seem to know how to stop them running in...Still, Arsenal had more than enough chances but VDS again in top form!Such a cheer/delight to see Valencia warming up and when he came on it looked like he'd never been injured/missing for so long.
Its hard for Arsenal fans, they had a good 7 years of over achieving and now its back to being also rans..........
I jest.
Its the going out of all competitions in one go that must be galling, its getting silly now, the talk of quadruples, then triples, then the double, then having a shout at the prem, then, the same excuses.
Usually in the space of 10 days.
Managers get old, they get comfortable, they get complacent, they lose perspective.
I jest.
Its the going out of all competitions in one go that must be galling, its getting silly now, the talk of quadruples, then triples, then the double, then having a shout at the prem, then, the same excuses.
Usually in the space of 10 days.
Managers get old, they get comfortable, they get complacent, they lose perspective.
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Yep. The thing is, United (and Chelsea) ALWAYS adapt their style when they play us, always employ the same tactics, and nearly always beat us. There never seems to be any sort of reaction to this from our side, they just go out there, keep the ball well enough but lose the game in exactly the same manner. It's so frustrating, and I think this particular game has been the straw that broke this camel's back, as it were, because it's yet again that time of year when everything goes into meltdown in a predictable way.
Say Fabregas went for £50-60m this summer (much more likely now), how many of us would be confident that Wenger would actually spent that money to boost the squad with players of real quality? Anyone? :/