*** FA Cup - Qtr Finals - 12th & 13th March 2011 ***

Dunno what all the Wilshere bashing is about, I can only assume it is down to the media hype wagon about the fact that he's English annoying people. He's a good player, he's 19 years old and has started more games than anyone at the club this season (due to injuries), I dunno what people are expecting, how many other English central midfielders under the age of 20 have done better in recent years? He's good enough to play for Arsenal ahead of the likes of Denilson, if England have players missing then he's probably good enough for the England squad.

Is he a world beater, the new Zidane, no, nobody is saying he is, except for the media.
 
i dunno what the bashing is either. I have avoided the press and imo he has done his talking on the pitch. Looks natural out there playing at the top level. Not bad for a 19 year old.
 
This is what a lot of fans don't understand.

Wenger has to get us to fourth each year and to the knock out stages of the CL afterwards. Which he does. Doing better in any competition would require more spending on wages and transfer fees than we could recuperate back by any extra prize / tv money, from where we usually get to compared to winning.

What happened when we were in danger of missing out? He DID splash out for Arshavin.

However other fan issues are right. The guy is tactically poor, a lot of players aren't used to the best of their abilities, we seemingly keep playing a formation we do worse in. Our first team gets injured a lot and he at the end of the day is also responsible for the back ups. Which are ****.

What are you talking about, doing better would require more money, then how did we win before? Utd have always spent along the same amount they have spent in the past several years, probably more, or less wasted anyway, yet they won things. Chelsea haven't got half the depth in squad we do.

This idea we have to spend money is totally rubbish. It boils down to this, every single person on earth except Wenger and Diaby realise we would have played better today if Diaby had not played. THere you go, we played 10 vs 11 instead of 11 vs 11, for no reason at all. Ramsey has played several games already, he's match fit, why not play him. Earlier this season Vela's been fit, infact he's been fit for the best part of 3 years, and he's refused to use him.

We have a squad Wenger built for 4-4-2, and he plays them in a 4-5-1 with an extra one or two rubbish players in midfield who MAKE THE TEAM WORSE.

Sorry but ANY manager can get this squad playing better, ok not any, but theres dozens out there who could. Arsenal have probably the best squad in the league.

Valencia/Arshavin, Nani/Nasri if you have to, then we've got Rosicky, Theo, Eboue, Bendtner who can play the wing who are all way ahead of Egghead, Bebe. Song, Diaby, Denilson are rubbish, any worse than Fletcher, Carrick, Gibson, no, we've got Fabregas, Wilshire, Ramsey in the middle aswell, Utd have Scholes, who while fantastic when fit last season has been no where near as good this season.


Utd spend more, but Fergie of late has wasted a vast portion of it. Chelsea spend more, they've wasted even more money, they've got an incredibly weak squad for the cost of it, painfully weak.

Both those have a better defence than us, keeping Gallas and not getting Kos/Squillaci would have SAVED us money, spending £5k to send Vermaelen to the specialist two days after he did his achilles would probably have seen him back 3 months ago. Chamakh, huge waste of 4mil.

Sorry but the money argument is rubbish, if it was valid we'd never have won a title or a cup under "early Wenger" as we'll call that old guy who used to be in charge.

When I look at the tactics, the formation, the starting line up, the subs, the motivation everything, Wenger made mistakes or got them flat out wrong against Brum, Utd, Barca..... those decisions have cost us 3 cups, against one rubbish team, one team who was in poor form and Barca who weren't playing well till we decided to show up with two injured players, a retard, and a few jokers at the back.

Honest to god, what manager do you think would have played Diaby against Barca, or after that shocking performance against UTd in our last big shot at a cup/title this year? I can't think of ANY other manager that utterly stupid.

As for stubborn, is Wenger really stubborn, if you go and look up footage of the way we played against ANYONE 6 years ago, vs games against the top 6 this season, its really the same football, not even close. The problem is Wenger did use to be stubborn, it was all out attack or nothing, and we won things, that is NOT what we play anymore, its not even close, since he changed we've won nothing and not come close except in the mickey mouse cup no other top teams try hard in.
 
Lol 5k to have Verm back 3 months ago and Chamakh a 'huge waste' at 4mil DM you talk a load of rubbish but you've just surpassed yourself quite spectacularly :D
 
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Arsenal need to be careful as it only takes 1 bad season and you are out of cl and then who knows how long it takes to get back in it, ask liverpool.
 
Dunno what all the Wilshere bashing is about, I can only assume it is down to the media hype wagon about the fact that he's English annoying people. He's a good player, he's 19 years old and has started more games than anyone at the club this season (due to injuries), I dunno what people are expecting, how many other English central midfielders under the age of 20 have done better in recent years? He's good enough to play for Arsenal ahead of the likes of Denilson, if England have players missing then he's probably good enough for the England squad.

Is he a world beater, the new Zidane, no, nobody is saying he is, except for the media.

I have not bashed him, I've seen him against United twice (where he has done nothing) and Barcelona twice (where he has done nothing).

He was faced with playing against no midfield at all today, and he was practically invisible, I'm not saying he is rubbish, thats what he might be good at, pretending not to be on the pitch then surprising the opposition later on in the game.

I'm just asking, what is he does that makes him good? Wide range of passing (not on display in the four games mentioned) physical presence (not on display in the four games mentioned) sets the tempo of play? etc etc etc etc etc.....
 
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Arsenal have probably the best squad in the league.
lol, you talk some rubbish but that has got to be up there.

I am not being biased but Man City have the best squad in the league.
We are not currently playing fantastic but there is no doubting the quality through the team.
The bench this year has included: Given, Lescott, Boateng, Dzeko, Tevez and SWP. All of them players would get into most if not every squad in the top 4. Compare that to Arsenal's...Almunia, Squillaci, Gibbs, Rosicky, Denilson, Arshavin and Bendtner. 1 player possibly 2 out of that i reckon another team in top 4 would take.
 
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Havent seen the stats but I thought Wishere helped Arsenal quite convincingly to dominate central midfield

The ONLY way Utd got the ball to the other end was either route 1 stuff from a VDS kick or through Rafael (occasionally Fabio, but most of the time it seemed to go down Utd's right)

I Really dont believe AW couldnt spend £40 -£50m on two or three players who are around 24/25 in age but seasoned CL /Euro players who know how to win (if he wanted to). Arsenal may not be very wealthy currently due to the stadium, but that is what has been holding Arsenal back for years with little to no change.

AW's view that this would restrict the likes of Wilshere / Ramsey etc etc etc is complete ****, there are enough games (practically 60 if you go all the way in the cups) every season to still buy at least 2 top players , give all players a rest mid season,, alternately and satisfy everyone with enough pitch time. Giving players a mid-season break - done well and the palyer only need miss one or two games but actually have 2/3 weeks off - this is also likely to cut down on injuries also

AW has done well no doubts about it, but his transfer policy (as stated by him before the CC final) is complete garbage without some winning experience mixed in with youth. Something thats extremely lacking in the current squad. Even VP (who is an excellent player when fit) flatters to decieve in his national setup - they should be better than they are (which has been the case for years with the Dutch),

Fab is an absolute idiot if he stays another season (wasting some of his best years on a team that will always be "also rans" without a lot of fixing) - good on him for being faithful to the Arsenal cause, but players only get a reasonably short career (which is potentially at risk in every single game they play) and his type of player is possibly shorter careers than some others, so he needs to make the most of it. Obviously there is a ??? over whether Barca have the funds for him, but with the new shirt sponsorship from Quatar that shouldnt be an issue.

lol, you talk some rubbish but that has got to be up there.

I am not being biased but Man City have the best squad in the league.
We are not currently playing fantastic but there is no doubting the quality through the team.
The bench this year has included: Given, Lescott, Boateng, Dzeko, Tevez and SWP. All of them players would get into most if not every squad in the top 4. Compare that to Arsenal's...Almunia, Squillaci, Gibbs, Rosicky, Denilson, Arshavin and Bendtner. 1 player possibly 2 out of that i reckon another team in top 4 would take.

An underlying requirment of quality is temprament - of which so many City players are severely lacking. Too many just happy to collect the huge salary and only put in 90% effort if you are lucky.

SWP good enough to get into every squad in the top 4!!! You are really having a laugh, he is barely good enough for Birmingham (given that they should be mid-table imo rather than where they are now)

No two ways about it, you have named your two primary strikers as bench warmers - which is completely false (just because they sit out one or two games - its where they are USUALLY that counts, which is on the pitch - exactly where they should be for £50-60m investment).
 
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Havent seen the stats but I thought Wishere helped Arsenal quite convincingly to dominate central midfield

The ONLY way Utd got the ball to the other end was either route 1 stuff from a VDS kick or through Rafael (occasionally Fabio, but most of the time it seemed to go down Utd's right)

I Really dont believe AW couldnt spend £40 -£50m on two or three players who are around 24/25 in age but seasoned CL /Euro players who know how to win (if he wanted to). Arsenal may not be very wealthy currently due to the stadium, but that is what has been holding Arsenal back for years with little to no change.

AW's view that this would restrict the likes of Wilshere / Ramsey etc etc etc is complete ****, there are enough games (practically 60 if you go all the way in the cups) every season to still buy at least 2 top players , give all players a rest mid season,, alternately and satisfy everyone with enough pitch time. Giving players a mid-season break - done well and the palyer only need miss one or two games but actually have 2/3 weeks off - this is also likely to cut down on injuries also

AW has done well no doubts about it, but his transfer policy (as stated by him before the CC final) is complete garbage without some winning experience mixed in with youth. Something thats extremely lacking in the current squad. Even VP (who is an excellent player when fit) flatters to decieve in his national setup - they should be better than they are (which has been the case for years with the Dutch),

Fab is an absolute idiot if he stays another season (wasting some of his best years on a team that will always be "also rans" without a lot of fixing) - good on him for being faithful to the Arsenal cause, but players only get a reasonably short career (which is potentially at risk in every single game they play) and his type of player is possibly shorter careers than some others, so he needs to make the most of it. Obviously there is a ??? over whether Barca have the funds for him, but with the new shirt sponsorship from Quatar that shouldnt be an issue.


fabregas wont be able to wlak in that barcelona side. he will be a backup player like masarano
 
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Deserved a goal to finish it.
 
Meh still cant beat Utd by the looks of it...in teh space of a fortnight we have been dumped out of 3 cup competitions...so much for Wenger bleating on about that he would give his every last drop of blood to bring a trophy to Arsenal...it isnt happening this year...we still have an outside chance of winning the EPL but even then i cant see us being consistent enough to win it as we still have Utd and a few other tough teams to play.

:/...glad i didnt watch the game tbh....
 
I have not bashed him, I've seen him against United twice (where he has done nothing) and Barcelona twice (where he has done nothing).

He was faced with playing against no midfield at all today, and he was practically invisible, I'm not saying he is rubbish, thats what he might be good at, pretending not to be on the pitch then surprising the opposition later on in the game.

I'm just asking, what is he does that makes him good? Wide range of passing (not on display in the four games mentioned) phyiscal presence (not on display in the four games mentioned) sets the tempo of play? etc etc etc etc etc.....

Physical presence was on display in at least two of the games you mentioned, what makes him good is the eye for a pass, making good runs, understanding of how to link with teammates (even at 17 before he was in the team he just seemed a natural at this) ability to tackle, and potential to be a leader (notice how when Sczezny got injured, he was the one having a chat and giving him a back on the back). In yesterday's game when he was contesting balls with Rooney, you could see a mutual respect there, something Rooney often doesn't show towards our midfield.

I've seen Wilshere in more than four games, since before he made his debut, to probably a dozen untelevised matches, in my opinion he's a good player, if you are prepared to write off a teenager on the basis of two games against the best team in the world (where he outperformed superstars like Fabregas), and two games against the best team in the country (based on results this season), fair enough, I'm sure people could probably find four games this season where the likes of Rooney has 'done nothing' as well.
 
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