FA Cup Semi Finals + other football *Spoilers*

johnyccc said:
Not bitter at all.
What's there to be bitter about?
I'm disappointed but in the grand scheme of things, I'm already thinking more of the game versus Pompy.
My dislike for Moyes and Everton is down to a long history of him coming across as miserable and joyless, as he snarls and complains whilst I generally consider Everton something of a physical team that likes to bully opponents and rely on set pieces.
So I would prefer Chelsea to win, as (despite some criticism to the contrary) they play some nice stuff at times.

And I would prefer the next manager of MUFC to actually smile every now and then :)
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I thought United fans had a massive hatred for Chelsea? You know, since Abramovich took over and you had an extra rival for silverware?

Moyes, as far as I'm concerned, is an honest manager who doesn't talk crap and doesn't make excuses. United were unlucky today and should have had a penalty in the second half. That said, how many times have you seen 'stonewall' pens like that turned down for opposition sides at Old Trafford? I probably couldn't count on both hands. Swings and roundabouts, that's all, and Ferguson's doing a lot of moaning about the penalty (or lack thereof), when he could be taking a leaf out of Moyes' book and taking an unlucky defeat on the chin.

Still, if you're that keen on having a smiler as your main man in charge, give Dwight Yorke a ring and you can join Newcastle United in the Championship in 2011. :p
 
drunkenmaster said:
But Newcastle had a fairly tough game today and started with Carrol who was, well useless, Owen only just back but Martins and Viduka made comebacks, those 3 getting games and starting could be a HUGE difference. if they stay fit and manage to score a few goals for me they are in the best position to be winning games and getting points. several stages in the season the combo of Gutierez with two real strikers playing well up top in Owen and Martins looked very very good.
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That is why they have only won 6 games ? :)

Newcastle are a average team, playing bad football.

It's not hard to understand, Yes Newcastle have had injuries, and yes to important players, but so have many other clubs in the league.

Newcastle are in a decline, as they have being for several years on and off the pitch. Now, finally their awful football is starting to show, and they're probably going to go down.

I wonder which club will have the "best fans in the world" according to Sky when Newcaslte go down ?
 
Moyes was talking a lot of crap only a few days ago about the Ref.
As for penaltys at OT, I can only assume you don't watch many of our games.
Perhaps theres been spells when we have had some luck with decisions (like any team) but this notion that theres this huge conspiracy preventing teams getting decisions there is nothing more than a myth.
And because its been talked about so much, now when anything at all goes our way, no matter how small, fans are only too happy to read something into it and thus the myth grows.
I mean really, just what reason would there be for referees to be not giving all these decisions?
Everyone knows OT is fairly quiet more often than not, so its certainly not intimidation from the crowd.
 
Moyes is just playing the game and if you think teams are fairly treated at OT you are living in a dream world, refs bottle it all the time via the "top 4"
 
uber soldat said:
We shouldn't have put out a total reserve team, and ronaldo/rooney should at least have been on the bench, AF made a rare error of judgement there
:(, am gutted as Chelsea will walk the final now :mad:
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I agree. AF didnt give enough respect to Everton and they got punished.

Utd looked like they were playing for penalties in the last half of extra time and looked fresh out of ideas
 
I missed the match - and my recorder seemed to have a mare( recorded the China GP ok earlier, but the Semi final was unwatchable) - but no doubt at all that Utd should have had a penalty in the 2nd half of normal time, and Im sick and tired of Fellani basically getting away with elbowing people's faces in nearly every match - he needs to get a few straight reds or he will continue doing it

I still think SAF bottled it by the team selection - with Gibson, Welbeck and Kiko all on from the start there was no crucial experiance at all where it mattered. , with Park on the other wing and Tevez who is really getting on my nerves (apart from one goal against Porto has been playing awfully for weeks) we where never likely to really test Howard

Anderson was MotM against Porto for me, probably his best all round game for Utd Ive seen him play - although he didnt last the whole game becuase he isnt totally match fit - but today he still did ok but with the surrounding players I think it was always going to be a little too much too soon for him - he still did ok, but not so assured imo.

I really hope Rio (and Vidic) can stay fit for the remainder of the season and we then have a good chance of still getting the double /quadrouple even with some hard EPL games and that impossible to call CL semi (I know the draw was done at the same time of the QF but think its a huge advantage to have both 2nd legs of the QF and Semi's at home - a little unfair for the same team to get both)

dannyjo22 said:
to everton trying to stop some of the best players in the world in frankly ludicrous.
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The ONLY players who you can possibly be describing in that sentance on the Utd side are their central defence from yesterdays selection - Tevez has hardly played this season because he has been utter **** for most of it - and even When Scholes came on (who is no where near World class anymore unfortunately) he still cant do much with so much inexperience around /infront of him
 
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aaaw poor fergie is unhappy

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FrankJH said:
(I know the draw was done at the same time of the QF but think its a huge advantage to have both 2nd legs of the QF and Semi's at home - a little unfair for the same team to get both)
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I'm sure you didn't complain last year when we played the home tie second in all three of our knockout games. :p
 
I think macheda was close to vidic for man of the match if "work rate" is in the list.

He was running around all the time and trying his best to get welbeck to do something half decent, which he clearly is unable to do. I think macheda would thrive if he had a decent player feeding him, ala Rooney or Giggs. Or even tevez in the right position.
 
Tute said:
I would rate your 2004/05 finish as the best result Everton have got since they won the title. Would you rather have Champions League football and the feeling of taking it away from one of the "big four" or win a cup and end up with a Europa place?

Then again, that just shows that Everton can, and do play good football. There is no way you could break the dominance with performances like the one today..
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Er thats exactly how we got 4th place. One upfront try to nick a goal and pack the midfield. Tbh it's pretty pointless qualifying for the champions league because as the last time showed we don't have a squad big enough to play enough games. We then struggled like hell in the league the following year.

Tute said:
Every team does. Fulham did it just weeks ago. Or are you telling me that they're a better team? I think the team you put out today would beat Fulham without too much trouble..
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Yes and it's happened with us this year against the big four, the players on the pitch have led to circumstances where we could attack a big four team. Yesterday it didn't work out. Again witrh the strikers we have on the pitch we cannot play cavalier football and hope to outscore man united.

Tute said:
And that's where this ends, really. You're happy with the performance today. I'm just saying that if I was an Everton supporter, I wouldn't be.

Similar to the Champions League final last year. It was a cheap way to win, quite frankly. Nothing like how it was done in '99 - through hard work and determination.
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Who said I was happy, I said I was happy with the win. 99? You were dominated and nicked it in the dieing minutes. I bet there are thousands of bayern fans that would agree with me. Which is why they wanted to avenge what they saw as a cheap victory.

It was a cup semi final, just about every semi I've ever seen has been a cagey lock down where everyone is scared of making a mistake.

Hopefully soon your team will go bust and or be in financial trouble not win anything for almost 15 years and we can discuss this again.

BaZ87 said:
Everton fans are the bitter ones :p

Anyway, he's a Manc.
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Obviously not, when you got knocked out the CL there wasn't any mocking or laughing of Liverpool failing. I bet if we lose the final it won't be the same story. The same is true when we went out of Uefa cup on pens. Lots of liverpool supporters couldn't hide their joy.

FrankJH said:
The ONLY players who you can possibly be describing in that sentance on the Utd side are their central defence from yesterdays selection - Tevez has hardly played this season because he has been utter **** for most of it - and even When Scholes came on (who is no where near World class anymore unfortunately) he still cant do much with so much inexperience around /infront of him
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A huge difference in a side that brings on scholes and Berba to one that brings on Rodwell and Vaughan. I'd happily swap :D
 
Everton have just missed their first penalty, Cahill skies it over the bar. Now it's Man Utd's turn. This penalty could be the most important one as it will set the tone, it will relieve some pressure on the following penalty takers if it finds the back of the net....

Up danders Berbatov....

And just like the player, there's more urgency in a tortoise.

What a pathetic penalty. There is no shame in having a penalty saved, but when you attempt such a half hearted slow and lazy shot, you deserve all the criticism you get afterwards. He's better than that. A lot better.

I don't get all the comments about the team selection, a lot of our first team are dead on their feet, and a few of them are carrying injuries from the Porto game. The team sheet ruled out previous form which was a good thing. Everton couldn't beat the team Ferguson put out yesterday in normal time so fans calling it disrespectful can shove their comments, it took penalties to decide the match. The kids gave a good account of themselves like they have done all season when called upon. I think the addition of a senior player in central midfield from kick off would have resulted in a better game from us.

Congratulations to Everton, they've had an amazing run in the F.A Cup this season and look set to claim fifth place in the league as theirs this season. I'll naturally be cheering them on come the end of May. I expect them to play a lot better in the final than yesterday, they didn't really show the form that has got them this far.
 
To be fair Berbatov scored the exact kind of penalty against Chelsea last year in the Carling Cup and no one said a word, his tachnique in penalties is to wait until the last second to see which way the keeper goes, its a 50/50 situation like any other pen, the keeper guessed the right way. If Howard had gone the other way, the pen would have rolled in no problems.

It's the same with Ronaldo's tenchique, he stops before taking, can put him off, but if he gets it right he'll score. Everyone has a technique.
 
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