Facebook privacy?

[asim18]

Be careful people, some people promote endless **** on forums and try to persuade you that their opinion is the truth.

Yep exactly. What's happening in China is a real fact not just opinion, a real change in sociality and a real possibility of it propagating to the west and affecting far bigger things than football hooligans.

Football hooliganism on the other hand is something that's been happening for decades and decades. It is merely opinion that bringing social credit will magically solve football hooligans.

 

[The_Abyss]

Yep exactly. What's happening in China is a real fact not just opinion, a real change in sociality and a real possibility of it propagating to the west and affecting far bigger things than football hooligans.

Your carefully targeted efforts to save us are truly appreciated. Let's hope that historic 'contributions' on this forum aren't fed into the future social credit algorithm, otherwise some on here will be well and truly ******.

 

[asim18]

Your carefully targeted efforts to save us are truly appreciated. Let's hope that historic 'contributions' on this forum aren't fed into the future social credit algorithm, otherwise some on here will be well and truly ******.

Carefully targeted efforts to save you? I'm not trying to save anyone my posts aren't targeted at anyone, I just like making posts about general topics, in this instance, privacy, society and the future, and I enjoy getting people's thoughts in return and anyone is free to post too, if I reply back doesn't mean I'm trying to save you in particular .


You're right about postings online on social media and forums etc. These things are being data-mined by supercomputers and quantum computers right now, whether this data is used in any future social media credit system, or skynet, is guaranteed, if of course, such a system becomes fully established.

The thing is now, this forum, and you and me, are so insignificant, we will be very old or naturally dead by the time the human species itself becomes fully commercialised, and then there's another 80 years minimum before the actual terrible things, like human farming, could become established. So I'm not trying to save anyone, it's futile, I'm just like to think about what humanity will be like when the current people living on earth aren't even here anymore. We're talking 150+ years, and then 500+ years, 1000+, and so on.

 

[Rroff]

So went back to pickup my new glasses (actually at a different Vision Express - not the one I went to before) - my phone was on this time.



Coincidence?

Bare in mind that I have no social media apps on my phone other than Whatsapp and other than Spotify pretty much nothing else 3rd party app wise, use anything on there through the browser, location services are off (including like google, etc.), bluetooth is off, wifi is only set to connect to known networks.

 

[jpaul]

[Glasses look a bit blurry ? and maybe some of the friends would give benefits for next purchase]

What contact details do vision express have for you ?, any emails sent to you.
Guess you don't use one of the new 3rd party bank account 'management' systems, afaik they could be harvesting,

I wonder if (young) employees could be looking up clients and 'shopping' them, but unlikley across 2 branches.

 

[Rroff]

[Glasses look a bit blurry ? and maybe some of the friends would give benefits for next purchase]

What contact details do vision express have for you ?, any emails sent to you.
Guess you don't use one of the new 3rd party bank account 'management' systems, afaik they could be harvesting,

I wonder if (young) employees could be looking up clients and 'shopping' them, but unlikley across 2 branches.

I do have my Bank's official app on the phone - though I've seen instances of this kind of thing before I installed it. It would be the only way anything, connected to me, tied me to those locations as I paid for the test originally at one location and the glasses at the other.

The second person would have known my name to look me up if Facebook did indeed show people who searched for you but the other I can't see how they would.

 

[v0n]

So went back to pickup my new glasses (actually at a different Vision Express - not the one I went to before) - my phone was on this time.

Coincidence?

Bare in mind that I have no social media apps on my phone other than Whatsapp and other than Spotify pretty much nothing else 3rd party app wise, use anything on there through the browser, location services are off (including like google, etc.), bluetooth is off, wifi is only set to connect to known networks.

It's location and proximity to other mobiles. You think your location services are off, but you haven't removed apps permission to use your location, and it does, every now and then for a split second. Registers you and those two sales assistants are inside of the same enclosed space, if you are there for more than few minutes it checks rf, bluetooth, whathaveyou, registers IDs of other phones next to you. It doesn't know if you're on a date, meeting friends or trying on glasses. Suggests "friends" just like it was a someone you've met, had a coffee with and liked. It happens to me all the time when I meet customers for quotes, more than 15 minutes chatting at arms length and the same evening they are suggested to me as "people you may know" on Facebook. To you and me that's invasion and creepy - yes. But I guess if you were 16, and it was a girl you liked you would appreciate it and couldn't live without it, right?

It's not just Facebook though. Google suggests new music releases to me based on bands my co-worker streams from youtube on his phone when we work together. How do you think that happens?

 

[Rroff]

It's location and proximity to other mobiles. You think your location services are off, but you haven't removed apps permission to use your location, and it does, every now and then for a split second. Registers you and those two sales assistants are inside of the same enclosed space, if you are there for more than few minutes it checks rf, bluetooth, whathaveyou, registers IDs of other phones next to you. It doesn't know if you're on a date, meeting friends or trying on glasses. Suggests "friends" just like it was a someone you've met, had a coffee with and liked. It happens to me all the time when I meet customers for quotes, more than 15 minutes chatting at arms length and the same evening they are suggested to me as "people you may know" on Facebook. To you and me that's invasion and creepy - yes. But I guess if you were 16, and it was a girl you liked you would appreciate it and couldn't live without it, right?

It's not just Facebook though. Google suggests new music releases to me based on bands my co-worker streams from youtube on his phone when we work together. How do you think that happens?

In the first instance my phone was completely off. If something does try to use location services I get a prompt I have to click ok or cancel on. I don't just install stuff and leave on default permissions.

I'm more curious rather than bothered by it as I can't see a simple way it could be happening and I'm not one to simply slap any and every app on my phone without paying attention to what they are doing.

 

[bsoltan]

I've never had Facebook friend suggestions based on my location and I have an iPhone (if that matters) with all the Social Networking Apps including Facebook.
It can't be proximity only or you'd get suggestions from all sorts of places like work, supermarket, other shops etc.

 

[Rroff]

I've never had Facebook friend suggestions based on my location and I have an iPhone (if that matters) with all the Social Networking Apps including Facebook.
It can't be proximity only or you'd get suggestions from all sorts of places like work, supermarket, other shops etc.

It is quite odd in that respect - I occasionally see colleagues I'm not friends with pop up when they are friends of friends but always seems random but if someone new comes by at work more often than not I see them as a suggestion within a day or two even when there is no immediate direct connection - maybe I underestimate just how bored and the lengths people go to look up people they even briefly meet day to day.

EDIT: Though in that case to be fair Facebook probably has made the connection between me and colleagues who do have all the location/sharing stuff running and then made the connection by proximity with the new people who have their location/sharing stuff on, etc. and suggests them to a range of spoked connections.

 

[v0n]

In the first instance my phone was completely off. If something does try to use location services I get a prompt I have to click ok or cancel on. I don't just install stuff and leave on default permissions.

I'm more curious rather than bothered by it as I can't see a simple way it could be happening and I'm not one to simply slap any and every app on my phone without paying attention to what they are doing.

Let's remember that it doesn't have to be Facebook app to snitch your location to Facebook, they purchased enough apps for data mining to have all angles covered. Plenty of people use private facebook on work phones, and they know a lot of people won't give them access to address book, so they have Whatsapp mining it for them as the app won't work without access to your contacts. But even if you lock your device up to the neck in permissions, Niqolle The Shop Assistant standing at your arms length didn't - so her phone will snitch on you instead. Facebook's patents stipulate use of everything, from GPS, Wifi, RSM, geo-tag, through low energy bluetooth, RFID, NFC and PAN to an instance where data from either a gyroscope or accelerometer suggests that the subject is moving in a movement pattern similar to that of a source of the second wireless communication. That's right motherlovers, they will try to match you if someone's phone (or other computer device) suggests you (and your phone) is standing, walking, running or riding along with the device submitting data (notes 020 and 021 of the patent). It's not conspiracy theory, it's the proprietary stuff they try to call dibs on.

 

[Rroff]

Let's remember that it doesn't have to be Facebook app to snitch your location to Facebook, they purchased enough apps for data mining to have all angles covered. Plenty of people use private facebook on work phones, and they know a lot of people won't give them access to address book, so they have Whatsapp mining it for them as the app won't work without access to your contacts. But even if you lock your device up to the neck in permissions, Niqolle The Shop Assistant standing at your arms length didn't - so her phone will snitch on you instead. Facebook's patents stipulate use of everything, from GPS, Wifi, RSM, geo-tag, through low energy bluetooth, RFID, NFC and PAN to an instance where data from either a gyroscope or accelerometer suggests that the subject is moving in a movement pattern similar to that of a source of the second wireless communication. That's right motherlovers, they will try to match you if someone's phone (or other computer device) suggests you are standing, walking, running pattern or ride next to a device submitting data (notes 020 and 021 of the patent). It's not conspiracy theory, it's the proprietary stuff they try to call dibs on.

I'm fairly sure GPS, Wifi except in limited circumstances, bluetooth and RFID/NFC aren't leaking my location on my phone though if they've got some clever algorithm with the phone orientation sensors then potentially all bets are off.

On the other hand I dragged myself into work tonight (finished at 4am) with a cold and as I left the building said to my colleagues I was gonna go home dose myself with some Sudafed...



Does have me wondering - literally the first time I've ever had an ad for it and literally popped up while I was composing the first part of this post with the bottle on my desk and starting a YouTube video at the same time LOL. I'm 99.9999% sure nothing has access to the mic on my phone atleast but several of my colleagues had their phones out - mine was in my bag.

EDIT: Well **** me. I just ran through everything on my phone that might have microphone permissions and the only thing that did was the Netflix app which I'd installed before work (never actually used it but it is running) because I had to go into work as I was the only one who could open up and start/stop operations but wasn't well enough to do much more and was going to amuse myself with catching up on some episodes of Travelers but never got around to it. As I was in a hurry I'd not noticed I'd let it have microphone permissions... and my Netflix account and YouTube account share the same email (and not much else does). Seems a bit suspicious to me.

EDIT2: Gonna give this a bit of a test over the next few days see if there is any correlation or just some really random coincidence being that time of year.

 

[Malevolence]

Adverts on YouTube? What is this dark magic?

 

[Rroff]

Adverts on YouTube? What is this dark magic?

I like to support the channels I watch regularly on there - I did consider YouTube premium and trialled it but the price IMO is about 60% too much for what you get unless they put in a lot more features and original shows.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

A bit off topic but I always wondered how somebody can say they are somewhere when they aren't on FB.
I have a colleague who claims to go different places when I know she doesn't and yesterday I found out how to do it.
Basically you can put anything you like into the Check In box.

 

[jpaul]

It's location and proximity to other mobiles. You think your location services are off, but you haven't removed apps permission to use your location

as he had said he has done due diligence -
I would even turn off #1 BT/gps/wi-fi antennas. (if you don't need music/payment) which leaves just radio 2g/3g/4g antennas, with which, I am not aware there is any 'sampling' of nearby mobiles, or related app switches ?

edit #1 from a battery perspective, too.

 

[Rroff]

as he had said he has done due diligence -
I would even turn off #1 BT/gps/wi-fi antennas. (if you don't need music/payment) which leaves just radio 2g/3g/4g antennas, with which, I am not aware there is any 'sampling' of nearby mobiles, or related app switches ?

edit #1 from a battery perspective, too.

BT/GPS are fully disabled unless I need them - I manually toggle on GPS/location services if I need to use my phone for satnav, etc. otherwise they are force stopped. I mean it is possible I'm overlooking something, etc. I'm certainly no expert but I've been doing this a long time I know how to basically setup my environment and manage things, etc. and usually the one undoing malware, etc. from people's devices.

Almost everything I do on my phone is via the browser rather than using an app except in a small number of cases where that isn't possible.

A bit off topic but I always wondered how somebody can say they are somewhere when they aren't on FB.
I have a colleague who claims to go different places when I know she doesn't and yesterday I found out how to do it.
Basically you can put anything you like into the Check In box.

You mean the Kardashian/Jenner clones who live the highlife blagging their way onto some rich guy's yacht in Saint-Tropez to get a photo and tagging themselves on some exclusive billionaire club island in the Bahamas?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

You mean the Kardashian/Jenner clones who live the highlife blagging their way onto some rich guy's yacht in Saint-Tropez to get a photo and tagging themselves on some exclusive billionaire club island in the Bahamas?

Probably.
The latest one is 6 nights at the Sheraton in New York on about £16,000 a year
I suppose if it's your life's dream you could save up.

 

[jpaul]

otherwise they are force stopped

possibly fighting a loosing battle .... https://apnews.com/828aefab64d4411bac257a07c1af0ecb

To stop Google from saving these location markers, the company says, users can turn off another setting, one that does not specifically reference location information. Called “Web and App Activity” and enabled by
default, that setting stores a variety of information from Google apps and websites to your Google account.

When paused, it will prevent activity on any device from being saved to your account. But leaving “Web & App Activity” on and turning “Location History” off only prevents Google from adding your movements to the “timeline,” its visualization of your daily travels. It does not stop Google’s collection of other location markers.

You can delete these location markers by hand, but it’s a painstaking process since you have to select them individually, unless you want to delete all of your stored activity.

You can see the stored location markers on a page in your Google account at myactivity.google.com, although they’re typically scattered under several different headers, many of which are unrelated to location.

or
https://thedroidguy.com/2018/12/fake-gps-location-android-without-root-1076685

could visit google hq ? but it appears most good code can recognise if you are faking locations

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...etly-kept-location-data/?comments=1&start=200

 

[LabR@t]

Facebook and privacy.


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