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Fairness issue at work

Discussion in 'Careers, Employment and Professional Development' started by Abraxaz1, May 17, 2019.

  1. Abraxaz1

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Jun 7, 2009

    Posts: 2,291

    Location: Carmarthenshire

    Hi guys,

    Just want some clarification/common sense before I go to my union at work.

    I work for a reasonable sized company, general staff drive liveried vans/pickups management/ fixed site staff have company cars.

    Last month my pick-up was equipped with a black box telemetry unit, we were told that these units were designed to only monitor our driving for insurance and safety.

    Que this morning I have received an email from a random manager stating the following:
    * I have repeatedly done 60mph on nsl roads, my pickup is registered as a dual purpose vehicle so has same speed limits as a car.
    * engine was switched on and van moved on the weekend when not on call, had to move van off drive for delivery. Literally moved it 10 yards.
    * van was sat idling on site for 4 hours, said site has no power supply and was charging all my test equipment and laptop.
    * van wasn’t started or moved till 9 am yesterday, I am contracted 8-4 but previous day had done a 16 hour shift, which my boss lets us have a relaxed early morning start the next day.

    The knob has said he will be forwarding this information to my line manager and network engineering.

    Pretty sure none of the above is in the agreed scope of the original installation bar the speed in the nsl.

    Also got a bitchy reply back when I asked if the company cars have had telemetry boxes fitted, as these are under the same insurance and aren’t limited.

    Questioning whether to go to my union about this?

    Any suggestions
     
  2. mrbell1984

    Capodecina

    Joined: Aug 9, 2008

    Posts: 21,964

    * I have repeatedly done 60mph on nsl roads, my pickup is registered as a dual purpose vehicle so has same speed limits as a car.
    Just apologize, don't kick up a fuss just say you didn't realize and it won't happen again and you will monitor your speed better.

    * engine was switched on and van moved on the weekend when not on call, had to move van off drive for delivery. Literally moved it 10 yards.
    State this in your letter.

    * van was sat idling on site for 4 hours, said site has no power supply and was charging all my test equipment and laptop.
    Tell them this.

    * van wasn’t started or moved till 9 am yesterday, I am contracted 8-4 but previous day had done a 16 hour shift, which my boss lets us have a relaxed early morning start the next day.
    Tell them this then.

    IMO don't kick up a fuss they will mark your back with a big red invisible X!
     
  3. robj20

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Apr 9, 2007

    Posts: 8,175

    Location: Manchester

    60mph on NSL roads. I must be missing the issue here or my brain isn't working.
    Aren't the nsl for cars 60 single and 70 for dual carriageway.
     
  4. peige

    Mobster

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 3,290

    Location: Sussex

    I agree with MrBell, i'd answer all the questions to the "manager" exactly has you have here because all of that seems entirely reasonable imho.

    Watch your back though, they are obviously picking over all the records over and above "insurance" use so no using the van to drop stuff off to the tip ;)
     
  5. VincentHanna

    Capodecina

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    Posts: 19,705

    Correct.
     
  6. Roar87

    Soldato

    Joined: May 10, 2012

    Posts: 5,758

    Location: Leeds

    I would explain all the above and then ask if they're going to harass you about the reasonable use of your company vehicle in the future
     
  7. cheesyboy

    Capodecina

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    Location: Gloucestershire

    Pretty sure it's illegal to track employees' vehicle use outside of work hours. Although as it's not supposed to be used personally in this case (unlike a company car), maybe that doesn't apply here (?)
     
  8. VincentHanna

    Capodecina

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    Posts: 19,705

    The only thing I would say is that surely your vehicle doesn't need to idling for 4 hours to charge your test equipment?
     
  9. challengedavid

    Mobster

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    Location: Telford

    thats just an excuse to get them installed

    we had them fitted and generally they left you alone, but when they had an issue with you they were scrutinised, unfortunately you might have to get used to it!

    but they used the same excuse to get them fitted and strangely sales and managers never had them fitted, its just an excuse to monitor you
     
  10. mrbell1984

    Capodecina

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    Just thought, maybe you could ask if anyone else has received a letter to see if anyone else is having any issues? Might be a common natural thing to be doing with colleagues and you just might not know about it until now.

    They track when turned on not when they are turned off this is why it's been picked up like this.

    I don't think it's illegal if people are told that the vans are been tracked and data can be pulled from it at any time.
     
  11. Danm54

    Wise Guy

    Joined: May 20, 2009

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    I've worked at a small company that had trackers on the vans for "insurance and mileage reasons" but they were pretty relaxed on usage to be fair.
    Only real negative was when you'd have a good day and be on for an early finish only to get a call to go to a job on the way home.

    He never questioned speeding or weekend/evening usage though so it didn't feel invasive.
     
  12. SaintJimmy

    Gangster

    Joined: Nov 1, 2010

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    Unless it's a car-derived van, it's actually 50/60 for vans and trucks. Something that's not known by a lot or ignored.
     
  13. 200sols

    Mobster

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    Location: Hampshire

    Welcome to the future.
     
  14. Siliconslave

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Dec 11, 2002

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    Location: The Flatlands

    I'd be replying to the email and copying my line manager in - better to bring it up yourself than let the numpty originator take the power - and explaining calmly and politely your reasoning you've put above. I'd also ask for the policy that restricts you from doing any of those things.
     
  15. Abraxaz1

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Jun 7, 2009

    Posts: 2,291

    Location: Carmarthenshire

    Was charging the following as using throughout the day
    * laptop
    * portable WiFi
    * Camera
    * work phone
    * gasco seeker
    * spare battery on impact drill
    * rechargeable batteries

    Would drain the battery in minutes if the engine wasn’t on.

    Yep, I was doing the legal limit.


    Apparently I’m not the only one that got this type of message, others have had it worse.
    Apparently the new transits have the doors monitored as well. Also we are contracted to work from home and some days you finish early and end up h9me at 2 But other days you don’t go home till the next day, the ops managers know this so look the other way as long as the work gets done. As sometimes you get called out when not on call.

    Everyone on the WhatsApp group is saying they are going to go to site for 8 and leave sites at 4, book travel overtime from now on.
     
  16. Abraxaz1

    Wise Guy

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    Pickups are classed as dual purpose so have same speed limit as cars, if the pickup has rear seats with seat belts that are tested in a mot, then its dual purpose.

    Was the guy not knowing his bloody job
     
  17. mrbell1984

    Capodecina

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    Should you not have been doing this in the first place if this is what you are contracted too?
     
  18. CircleFaust

    Mobster

    Joined: Dec 1, 2003

    Posts: 3,356

    yeah this seems to be the future of working for these faceless companies
    no care for their employees just squeeze every bit of energy from you while making maximum profit
    save 5p by telling you not to start your van and move it. track you into the ground
    i'd wait and see what your manager says to you and take it up with the union if you feel its necessary
     
  19. Abraxaz1

    Wise Guy

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    No, we are classed as working from home, so if I have a job that only takes 3 hours, but takes 3 hours to get to and from site.
    We are supposed to go home and do admin or emails, as most of our sites don’t have a building or internet coverage.

    So now we will sit on site for the 8 hours, then book overtime for travel and admin.

    It’s like saying that someone that works from home isn’t in the office enough
     
  20. D18241

    Wise Guy

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    Location: England (sheffield)

    if you do end up having to have a talk about it, Make sure your rep or HR is there and mention this is starting to sound like constructive dismissal