Fake hate crime: Jussie Smollett paid two Nigerian brothers to attack him
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The only thing they can possibly get him for is the letter that was sent to him a week before. It was posted so therefor it is a federal crime, if the brothers helped him make it, and they testify, then they have a case. They can use the FBI to investigate because it's federal thus bypassing the Chicago DA's office.
This has Karmarla Harris and Obamas, via Tina Tchen, finger prints all over this case, it's a huge risk for them to help Jussie in such a high profile case I can't see why they would risk it.
This has Karmarla Harris and Obamas, via Tina Tchen, finger prints all over this case, it's a huge risk for them to help Jussie in such a high profile case I can't see why they would risk it.
I think 2 is the most likely, he's obviously connected and so the Obama ex chief of staff decided to try and help him out early on and the rather dense DA decided to roll with it. Obviously it then spiralled out of control a bit with all the publicity.
Well I don't think she had much choice but to admit it given the leaks and the level of interest in the case, she's just admitting to something we already know.
Wonder if he will pay the $130,000 he was ordered to cover police time?
Well he has no choice
I've not kept up with this over the past two days - what is that in reference to? Has he agreed some further payment over forfeiting his bond? OR have the threatened to sue him for costs or something?
edit - ah so they have asked him for it, I guess he could try to fight it but I presume he won't, good move by the city:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47744351
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This highlights how **** the America justice system is
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/florida-wrongful-imprisonment-42-years-murder/index.html
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/florida-wrongful-imprisonment-42-years-murder/index.html
Soldato
Awful.
I think part of it is pressure from the private prison industry which profits twice over from every inmate. First from the State payments to imprison them, then again from being able to use the prisoners as compelled labour to undercut local market rates. Terrible system that is out of control in the USA. And has made inroads into our own country as well.
Soldato
"Their attorneys presented no evidence or witnesses, although partygoers reported being with the men when everyone heard the shots that night."
They had crap attorneys. Or it was a public pretender.
Smollett's attorneys are now saying the two black guys he paid could have been wearing white masks.
Soldato
Yes is was a awesome move. Check....Smollett move and time is running out.
Soldato
Actually I'm pretty wary of police being able to sue unconvicted people for the costs of an investigation. I might think the police have a point here and I might recognize it could be their only avenue of combating what has been done here. But I'm usually much more about creating good systems than individual cases. And this seems a little dubious.
Don
https://www.aol.com/article/enterta...ongoing-jussie-smollett-controversy/23702462/
Empire ratings plummet, viewers vote with their feet in response to Smollet and the Empire crew's support of him.
Empire ratings plummet, viewers vote with their feet in response to Smollet and the Empire crew's support of him.
Don’t think I ever cared about Empire, seen a few eps, pop trash.
Looking at the rating drop per season though, seems normal, they’ll just ignore criticism of the show and blame it on this.
Or in counter blame it on the show being **** rather than political issues, it is fox so who knows. Maybe both.
Looking at the rating drop per season though, seems normal, they’ll just ignore criticism of the show and blame it on this.
Or in counter blame it on the show being **** rather than political issues, it is fox so who knows. Maybe both.
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Could have been worse, in another State they are literally letting murderers off, scot-free
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47794819
The amazing US Justice system in action again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47794819
The amazing US Justice system in action again.
Soldato
Love the VincentHanna algorithm of If(currentcase == inconvenient) { call Generalise(); }
Smollet and the influential people who got him off have diminished fault if you can find other instances of judicial failure.
Smollet and the influential people who got him off have diminished fault if you can find other instances of judicial failure.
Well they're not, I think you'll find that they'd quite like to prosecute them and indeed did attempt to, unfortunately if pretty much everyone in the bar is a gang member or affiliate and takes the "snitches get stitches" approach even with regards to their rivals then prosecution becomes rather difficult. The US is after all a country where in a lot of places you are legally allowed to carry a firearm and so killing someone in self defence with a legally carried firearm is legal.
I mean technically it is legal in the UK too albeit rather unlikely to occur unless you say happened to be shooting pheasants on your country estate and were ambushed by armed attackers etc...
I'm not sure what the relevance is to the thread here other than a bit of whataboutery and it is clutching at straws a bit, it isn't even the same state let alone the same county/prosecutors office.
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What are you on about? The thread discussion has already moved on because of the Smollett case, towards discussing District/states attorneys and how rubbish the US justice system is, in general.
Man of Honour
The most obvious relevant differences:
In the Smollett case, there is clear evidence of guilt and only the word of the defendant against it. There was no trial. A secret deal was made behind closed doors and all details were sealed and the case was disposed of and brushed under the carpet. All of this was done openly by an official who publically lied and blatantly broke the rules. It's a political case. Even the defendant's lawyer hasn't said the defendant is innocent. Even the official who lied and broke rules to brush the case under the carpet hasn't said that the defendant is innocent.
In the biker gang fight case, evidence was sparse and mostly irrelevant. It was a public place that the defendents had been to, so evidence placing them there (fingerprints, DNA, whatever) was irrelevant. There is no video of it and given the chaotic and fast-paced nature of a multi-way gang fight in a bar standard surveillance video wouldn't be conclusive anyway. You'd need multiple angles and a high framerate and that's rare or non-existent in standard surveillance video. There are effectively no witnesses because the people who might be witnesses are claiming they didn't see anything relevant and might even be telling the truth in some cases. Melee is chaotic and people fighting to the death in one part of a bar aren't careful and dispassionate observers of the whole bar. Also, of course, gang members are generally unlikely to give evidence in court even if they do know what happened. Despite all that, there was a trial (unlike in the Smollett case - another very big difference). The defendant was tried and acquitted because he plausibly claimed reasonable force in defence. He might well have been telling the truth. Any other defendants could have done the same thing and presumably would have. With the strongest case for the prosecution resulting in an acquittal and good reason to think every one of the weaker cases would also result in acquittals, the cases were dropped.
Your comparison is not a valid comparison. It's like comparing a police officer's wages with a police officer taking bribes from criminals to turn a blind eye to their crimes. They're both the police officer getting money, so they're comparable. Except that they're not because one is the system working within the rules and the other is corruption.
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Man of Honour
One of the very few defence cases that went to court in the UK involved a person inside a house deliberately shooting and killing a person outside the house. They claimed they had the right to do so under UK reasonable force in defence law. The CPS decided it was unclear enough to warrant a trial. The defendant was acquitted by a jury. With good reason - the person outside the house had a history of violence, was clearly intending to break into the house and the person inside had every reason to think that if the person outside did get in they would be very violent and quite possibly murderous.
Rather unlike to occur, as you say, but there is precedent.
Soldato
Very well put post.